Plz help with ID of 2 Daggers

[tom hyle]

erlikhan, I'm pretty sure you're referring to the first of Justin's pieces, not the second? The pieces you show are rather different from either. Most notable with reference to the (Turkic?) flattened flat tang handles, while Justin's has round stalk tang handle. One of those you show is clearly a knife, or bichaq, while the other has the attenuated point associated with some violent forms. Justin's is broad at the tip, but also reasonably stabby, especially with its swedged spine/false edge (IMHO it's a superior weapon, but the super-narrow attenuated tip is clearly considered a violent feature in those cultures that employ it, while the broader tip is nonspecified. The even broader tip on the bichaq type seen here is not really for stabbing, though, much like a screwdriver or a "Roman" point it would go in to belly or thigh well enough. Justin's recurve seems different than either of yours. These may be simply variations with time and purpose; the ethnicity may be the same; the knives are rather different. I'd love to see pics of more examples of the other; the resemblance to the Indian dagger (chilanum?) in the curl of the ends of the upper and lower guards is striking, though as I've mentioned, some khoumiyas also exhibit a similar feature at the pommel.