Indonesian blade with 'Tjikeroeh' inscription

Henk · 21st September 2009, 04:28 PM

Because this type of daggers was made for the Dutch and after european standards I wouldn't call this nor a Golok nor a Pedang.

The shape of this dagger is more that of a Hartsvanger (Dutch) or as the Germans call it a Hirschfanger.

asomotif · 21st September 2009, 09:46 PM

I agree with Henk.

These weapons where not made for indonesian people.
In that case I can not Imagine that there would be a date and name.

The shape is indeed of a hartsvanger and also the handguards often follow hartvangers designs.

Ps. this summer I visted family in France and I saw a golok with also a inscription, but then tjikeru or something like that.
The owner told me that he bought it in the 70' and that it was made before his own eyes in a workshop in Jakarta, using old car springs.

So I can imagine that the name Tjikeroeh was also used in other locations.

Sajen · 21st September 2009, 11:51 PM

After looking again to the complete piece I have to agree with Henk and Willem, it look indeed like a "Hirschfänger" and in this case the handle and sheat would be original.

sajen

Amuk Murugul · 22nd September 2009, 12:17 AM

Hi everybody,

I see the usual problem of naming an article.

It is definitely not a golok.
However, it was made in Soenda and it is a short sword (by European standards). The Soenda generic word for sword is 'pedang'.(BTW... I should emphasise that the piece is a good quality commercial piece, not as good as a military piece )

Are we going to quibble and be pedantic about whether it should be called a shortsword/hunting-sword/hunting-dagger/forestry-sword/forestry-dagger (English), hirschfanger (German) or hartsvanger (Dutch)?

As for the bit about the Jakarta workshop,.... Not surprising!
Ref. saying:'Ada doeit....can do it....'
...anything can be done for the right money.....
Hence....CAVEAT EMPTORRR!!

If we want to play the blame game...
Quite a few vendors/dealers (especially from Europe where prices are relatively higher than in the USA) go to Indo once or twice a year to stock up. Some among them have 'special requests'.

......Big Brother is watching....

Best,

sta94 · 22nd September 2009, 04:31 AM

hmmmm ... interesting ... very interesting. Thanks for all the additional info. Really appreciate it. I paid a decent amount but thankfully not too much for this piece, so I will not be laying awake at nights! Also, I really like it.

Really great to know all the extra stuff you guys mentioned.

sta94 · 22nd September 2009, 04:40 AM

BTW, a lot of the photos I posted above seem to be showing up as red Xs. Are you guys seeing the same? Usually I use pics saved on photobucket, which show up oretty big. But to save space I decreased their size on Picasa and posted them here. Anything I'm doing wrong? Thanks!

Rick · 22nd September 2009, 02:26 PM

Better if you upload photos directly to the site ; then they won't disappear in the future .

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21st September 2009, 04:28 PM	#1
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Because this type of daggers was made for the Dutch and after european standards I wouldn't call this nor a Golok nor a Pedang. The shape of this dagger is more that of a Hartsvanger (Dutch) or as the Germans call it a Hirschfanger.

21st September 2009, 09:46 PM	#2
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	I agree with Henk. These weapons where not made for indonesian people. In that case I can not Imagine that there would be a date and name. The shape is indeed of a hartsvanger and also the handguards often follow hartvangers designs. Ps. this summer I visted family in France and I saw a golok with also a inscription, but then tjikeru or something like that. The owner told me that he bought it in the 70' and that it was made before his own eyes in a workshop in Jakarta, using old car springs. So I can imagine that the name Tjikeroeh was also used in other locations.

21st September 2009, 11:51 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	After looking again to the complete piece I have to agree with Henk and Willem, it look indeed like a "Hirschfänger" and in this case the handle and sheat would be original. sajen

22nd September 2009, 12:17 AM	#4
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	Hi everybody, I see the usual problem of naming an article. It is definitely not a golok. However, it was made in Soenda and it is a short sword (by European standards). The Soenda generic word for sword is 'pedang'.(BTW... I should emphasise that the piece is a good quality commercial piece, not as good as a military piece ) Are we going to quibble and be pedantic about whether it should be called a shortsword/hunting-sword/hunting-dagger/forestry-sword/forestry-dagger (English), hirschfanger (German) or hartsvanger (Dutch)? As for the bit about the Jakarta workshop,.... Not surprising! Ref. saying:'Ada doeit....can do it....' ...anything can be done for the right money..... Hence....CAVEAT EMPTORRR!! If we want to play the blame game... Quite a few vendors/dealers (especially from Europe where prices are relatively higher than in the USA) go to Indo once or twice a year to stock up. Some among them have 'special requests'. ......Big Brother is watching.... Best,

22nd September 2009, 04:31 AM	#5
sta94 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16	hmmmm ... interesting ... very interesting. Thanks for all the additional info. Really appreciate it. I paid a decent amount but thankfully not too much for this piece, so I will not be laying awake at nights! Also, I really like it. Really great to know all the extra stuff you guys mentioned.

22nd September 2009, 04:40 AM	#6
sta94 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16	BTW, a lot of the photos I posted above seem to be showing up as red Xs. Are you guys seeing the same? Usually I use pics saved on photobucket, which show up oretty big. But to save space I decreased their size on Picasa and posted them here. Anything I'm doing wrong? Thanks!

22nd September 2009, 02:26 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Better if you upload photos directly to the site ; then they won't disappear in the future .