Pattani Naga Keris

Greybeard · 20th August 2009, 05:35 AM

Hi David

Thank you for the link. Yes, the old threads are very helpful; I`ve printed out a lot of them.

I agree that I`ve probably bought a Javanese naga piece -- which is just fine since I primarily collect Javanese keris.

Regards,

Heinz

PenangsangII · 21st August 2009, 10:26 AM

the keris in question is an "owah-owahan" naga..... IMHO, the naga was made recently although the keris is quite old

Greybeard · 21st August 2009, 12:21 PM

Hi PenangsangII

An altered keris? Why not: This was my first thought, too, when I saw the pictures provided by the seller. But on the other hand, it`s always difficult to form an opinion by photos alone ...

Well, the keris will probably arrive here next week, then I will see ... I would certainly prefer an all-original old naga keris, but these are very rare (and very expensive), I think.

Thanks and regards,

Heinz

David · 21st August 2009, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

the keris in question is an "owah-owahan" naga..... IMHO, the naga was made recently although the keris is quite old

I'm sorry, did i miss something? Have images of this keris been shown somewhere or do you have personal knowledge of this piece?

Greybeard · 21st August 2009, 02:39 PM

Actually, I`m wondering about the same thing ...

Heinz

PenangsangII · 22nd August 2009, 09:30 AM

the keris in question was discussed in an open forum last year. I personally know most of the forumites in that Malay forum (not exactly a forum, but a forum-like websites, i.e multiply.com). Though there were many opinions regarding the "pattani naga blade", me and some friends (a keris group) concluded among ourselves that the naga was carved more recently (and crudely done at that) whilst the blade may have some age to it.... hope my post does not ruffle any feathers...... I am quite vocal that many Malaysian keris collecters, esp those who have vested interests (collecters cum keris sellers/ vendors) despise what ever my keris group represents

David · 22nd August 2009, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

the keris in question was discussed in an open forum last year. I personally know most of the forumites in that Malay forum (not exactly a forum, but a forum-like websites, i.e multiply.com). Though there were many opinions regarding the "pattani naga blade", me and some friends (a keris group) concluded among ourselves that the naga was carved more recently (and crudely done at that) whilst the blade may have some age to it.... hope my post does not ruffle any feathers...... I am quite vocal that many Malaysian keris collecters, esp those who have vested interests (collecters cum keris sellers/ vendors) despise what ever my keris group represents

Sorry, my confusion continues. How is it that you know that the keris Heinz has pruchased is this same keris that was discussed in in this Malay forum?

Greybeard · 24th August 2009, 06:46 AM

Hi David, hi Penangsang,

I must admit that I`m confused, too!

Penangsang, it`s amazing that you are able to identify my keris as the one discussed in the other forum, just by my vague description!

All I have thus far are pictures of small size, provided by the seller, showing an old looking keris with a simple, but IMO not really crude naga. The keris was offered as "Naga Timbul" (whatever dapur this may be), but not as "Pattani Naga Keris".

Well, the keris should arrive soon. With the keris in hand, I`ll probably be able to tell more ...

Regards,

Heinz

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20th August 2009, 05:35 AM	#1
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Hi David Thank you for the link. Yes, the old threads are very helpful; I`ve printed out a lot of them. I agree that I`ve probably bought a Javanese naga piece -- which is just fine since I primarily collect Javanese keris. Regards, Heinz

21st August 2009, 10:26 AM	#2
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	the keris in question is an "owah-owahan" naga..... IMHO, the naga was made recently although the keris is quite old

21st August 2009, 12:21 PM	#3
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Hi PenangsangII An altered keris? Why not: This was my first thought, too, when I saw the pictures provided by the seller. But on the other hand, it`s always difficult to form an opinion by photos alone ... Well, the keris will probably arrive here next week, then I will see ... I would certainly prefer an all-original old naga keris, but these are very rare (and very expensive), I think. Thanks and regards, Heinz

21st August 2009, 02:39 PM	#5
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Actually, I`m wondering about the same thing ... Heinz

22nd August 2009, 09:30 AM	#6
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	the keris in question was discussed in an open forum last year. I personally know most of the forumites in that Malay forum (not exactly a forum, but a forum-like websites, i.e multiply.com). Though there were many opinions regarding the "pattani naga blade", me and some friends (a keris group) concluded among ourselves that the naga was carved more recently (and crudely done at that) whilst the blade may have some age to it.... hope my post does not ruffle any feathers...... I am quite vocal that many Malaysian keris collecters, esp those who have vested interests (collecters cum keris sellers/ vendors) despise what ever my keris group represents

24th August 2009, 06:46 AM	#8
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Hi David, hi Penangsang, I must admit that I`m confused, too! Penangsang, it`s amazing that you are able to identify my keris as the one discussed in the other forum, just by my vague description! All I have thus far are pictures of small size, provided by the seller, showing an old looking keris with a simple, but IMO not really crude naga. The keris was offered as "Naga Timbul" (whatever dapur this may be), but not as "Pattani Naga Keris". Well, the keris should arrive soon. With the keris in hand, I`ll probably be able to tell more ... Regards, Heinz