Philippine Kris or Keris

Rick · 2nd August 2009, 12:48 AM

This one may have a twist core .
I believe it is likely pre 20th C.

Just an observation though ....

There's something funny about the tip .

Possibly it has been reshaped during it's working life ?

A possibility with an old blade .
I don't believe that this is its first hilting .

Nice .

aerosick · 2nd August 2009, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Just an observation .

There's something funny about the tip .
Possibly it has been reshaped during it's working life ?

Rick,

Edit: The scabbard could have been made later to fit the blade. Billy

The pattern in the blade seems to follow the tip. Should the tip be more rounded as a "slasher", not a "stabbing" blade? The tip fits snug in the scabbard's hollowed out tip area. (That photo is in an earlier Post of mine)

Billy

Rick · 2nd August 2009, 01:03 AM

See my edit in the post above .

Here is a blade that I think may be from the same time frame as yours .

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...1/160-rb3a.jpg

aerosick · 2nd August 2009, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

See my edit in the post above .

Here is a blade that I think may be from the same time frame as yours .

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...1/160-rb3a.jpg

Yes it does look like the same tip! I will Post about the cockatua pommel later.

Billy

Rick · 2nd August 2009, 02:06 AM

Indeed; but compare the distance between the engraving and the point . Compare the point shape with your example .

Check the rest of the krisses on the site also .

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...nes.swords.htm

Your's is an old blade; I'm fairly certain of that .

It may even have a twist core .

Nothing wrong with keeping an old warrior functional .
If the point was modified it was long ago I figure .

aerosick · 2nd August 2009, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Indeed; but compare the distance between the engraving and the point . Compare the point shape with your example .

Check the rest of the krisses on the site also .

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...nes.swords.htm

Your's is an old blade; I'm fairly certain of that .

It may even have a twist core .

Nothing wrong with keeping an old warrior functional .
If the point was modified it was long ago I figure .

I've bookmarked that and I keep looking and looking.

Can you point me to a reference on "twist core" versus other forge techniques? Is this where they would twist the metal billets? Does this make it rarer?

Thanks,

Billy

Battara · 2nd August 2009, 03:00 AM

I looked at the pictures in your link and compared the copper wire and nails to the top and bottom chased okired pieces. I think the top and bottom pieces are indeed swassa.

The place to test them would be at a jewelers (besides me).

Also the blade is probably older than the hilt. Not unusual.

aerosick · 2nd August 2009, 03:08 AM

In a small hole that didn't show well in the photos I can almost see wood under where the cockatua joins the hilt.

Could the cockatua be silver or a mix?

Do you think that the cockatua is small or medium size?

Is this a shape found in pre-20th Century?

Billy

2nd August 2009, 12:48 AM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,418	Older Blade This one may have a twist core . I believe it is likely pre 20th C. Just an observation though .... There's something funny about the tip . Possibly it has been reshaped during it's working life ? A possibility with an old blade . I don't believe that this is its first hilting . Nice . Last edited by Rick; 2nd August 2009 at 01:00 AM.

2nd August 2009, 03:08 AM	#8
aerosick Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 25	Cockatua Pommel Hilt In a small hole that didn't show well in the photos I can almost see wood under where the cockatua joins the hilt. Could the cockatua be silver or a mix? Do you think that the cockatua is small or medium size? Is this a shape found in pre-20th Century? Billy

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2nd August 2009, 01:03 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,418	See my edit in the post above . Here is a blade that I think may be from the same time frame as yours . http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...1/160-rb3a.jpg

2nd August 2009, 02:06 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,418	Indeed; but compare the distance between the engraving and the point . Compare the point shape with your example . Check the rest of the krisses on the site also . http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...nes.swords.htm Your's is an old blade; I'm fairly certain of that . It may even have a twist core . Nothing wrong with keeping an old warrior functional . If the point was modified it was long ago I figure .

2nd August 2009, 03:00 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,397	I looked at the pictures in your link and compared the copper wire and nails to the top and bottom chased okired pieces. I think the top and bottom pieces are indeed swassa. The place to test them would be at a jewelers (besides me). Also the blade is probably older than the hilt. Not unusual.