Seadajak Parang with rare scabbard

[Dajak]

Seadajak Sword with old type Handle and rare scabbard .

Brass inlay on the back and the side .


Ben


ps Michael did you see an scabbard with that rare end ???

[Maurice]

Hi Ben,


Happy new year!!
Great looking parang.
It is nice to see the similarities in style with this handle of yours to the higher Coppenshandle Michael has!

How old it was estimated you told me these handles were in fashion? (I can,t quite remember). I believed you told me about 1875?

Also nice carved scabbard!!

Maurice

[VVV]

Congratulations!

The best one of your newly acquired parang I have seen so far in 2009!
It's very close to the Jimpul I traded with your for the LT in style.
Actually I think it's a Jimpul variation even if the tip isn't squarish.
On the scabbard end I have never seen it before on anything else than Pandat (enclosed an example).
So I assume that it's inspired from the Land Dayaks in style?

Michael

[Tim Simmons]

Happy New Year, interesting handle, the forming of the gunge around the top and the silver coin. What is the metal on the grip?

[Dajak]

Originally Posted by VVV

Congratulations!

The best one of your newly acquired parang I have seen so far in 2009!
It's very close to the Jimpul I traded with your for the LT in style.
Actually I think it's a Jimpul variation even if the tip isn't squarish.
On the scabbard end I have never seen it before on anything else than Pandat (enclosed an example).
So I assume that it's inspired from the Land Dayaks in style?

Michael

Hi Maurice that is correct .

Hi Michael maybe it is the other way around that is the way I like to find out.

I think that there are 2 variations off pandats that one type did belong to the seadayaks but I never did found any proof that this right or wrong .

You are right whit thinking that there must be a few variations of the Jimpul
type we know from the shelford publication .
I see to much of this type very old ones .
You have also a few maybe you can post them also here to compare .

Compare your Oldman and your Coppens both maybe same age different area
different style .

The metal on the Handle is not silver Tim but could be an mix .

Ben

[Tim Simmons]

It could be tin? but most likely a local silver. Tin lead and silver?

[Dajak]

Hi Tim no not tin it is more metal mix whit maybe a little silver but it is to strong to be silver and I put an boiled eg against it and no reaction so no much silver in it anyway .

The coins are silver from the netherlands .

Ben

[Tim Simmons]

Well if not alloyed with silver. It is most likey a tin solder wire. Or possibly Britannia metal which is not that far removed from tin solder.

[Tim Simmons]

Paktong.

[katana]

Originally Posted by Dajak

I put an boiled eg against it and no reaction so no much silver in it anyway .

Ben

Hi Ben,
I didn't know this....am I right that the 'white' of the boiled egg changes colour when in contact with silver ? Can you 'gauge' the silver content by the speed of the 'reaction'.... is the colour change 'darker'... the higher the silver content ? Could you explain..Thank you

Regards and Happy New Year

David

[Dajak]

Hi David


I use the yellow after the white and my expiriance is the faster and darker the more silver is in it try to eath an boiled eg with an silver spoon .


Ben

[katana]

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi David


I use the yellow after the white and my expiriance is the faster and darker the more silver is in it try to eath an boiled eg with an silver spoon .


Ben

Thank you Ben

[Dajak]

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Well if not alloyed with silver. It is most likey a tin solder wire. Or possibly Britannia metal which is not that far removed from tin solder.

Is that the same as berlin silver


Ben

[Battara]

Originally Posted by Dajak

Is that the same as berlin silver

Do you mean German Silver?

[Dajak]

Hi Jose yes I mean German silver overhere in Netherlands/Germany they call it Berlin silver.

I think the English call it alpacca but not sure .


Ben

[VVV]

Hi Ben,

There are two styles of pandat but they are Sidin and Bennah according to Shelford (see examples in order).
The ones with the resembling scabbard end as your parang are Sidin.
So I assume that you suspect that it's the Sidin version that somehow is connected to Iban?

On jimpul variations I consider the following two jimpul too even if they don't have the squarish end of the blade.

Michael

[asomotif]

English call it alpacca but not sure

Found the following :
Alpaca / Berlin silver :
copper: 64 à 65 %
zinc: 23 à 24%
nickel: 12%

But I can imagine if it is locally made any combination of materials could be used.

best regards,
Willem

[Dajak]

My second Seadajak parang did get it yesterday.

It does have an heavy blade and little heads on the handle .

And very long hair from the handle .

Ben

[Maurice]

Hi Ben,


Nice example....
I have not often seen these kind of little faces on the handles. Also the carvings on the scabbard I do like.
Are those metal bands on the scabbard?

Maurice

[Dajak]

Hi Maurice yes metal bands .

Ben

[VVV]

Another beauty!

Somehow this one doesn't look as much as a jimpul as your first.
Could be because of the krowit and that the fuller ends before it?
Maybe it's more related to the Gayang of W Sabah and NW Sarawak?
Ben, what's your instinctive feeling when holding it IRL?

Michael

[Tim Simmons]

Ben, you need to get that white metal tested properly. I have been thinking about your test, I could eat a boiled egg every day for a month and a silver spoon may still not tarnish. It does already look tarnished.

[Dajak]

Originally Posted by VVV

Another beauty!

Somehow this one doesn't look as much as a jimpul as your first.
Could be because of the krowit and that the fuller ends before it?
Maybe it's more related to the Gayang of W Sabah and NW Sarawak?
Ben, what's your instinctive feeling when holding it IRL?

Michael

Hi Michael it is smaller but it is an heavy one .

In real it looks much better.

But first one is the best these 2 comes from the same collector has the best Parang Ilang collection that I know with the rarest piece s.

Ben

[Mytribalworld]

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi Michael it is smaller but it is an heavy one .

In real it looks much better.

But first one is the best these 2 comes from the same collector has the best Parang Ilang collection that I know with the rarest piece s.

Ben

Hi Ben,

here the pic I promised ( the one in the middle)

Arjan

[Dajak]

Hi Arjan can you also show us what type off blade it is ?

that one down below is that also an seadajak parang ???

Thanks Ben

[Mytribalworld]

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi Arjan can you also show us what type off blade it is ?

that one down below is that also an seadajak parang ???

Thanks Ben

Hi Ben,

No In my opinion the lower is a Dusun mandau from Kinabatingan area.


Arjan.

[Tim Simmons]

Although this is not as curved and I know little about these really. I can see some similarities to the blade and the scabbard. Any more information would be very nice to know. This is my a favourite.

[Dajak]

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Hi Ben,

No In my opinion the lower is a Dusun mandau from Kinabatingan area.


Arjan.

Nice blade that lower one I did ask because I see same style scabbard but with an
LT style blade in the scabbard after I left your nice shop .

Ben

[VVV]

Arjan, I am a bit puzzled with the hilt on the middle one?
Please let me know why it's Iban?
Is the lower one a Parang Gayang?

Tim, yours is nice too but I think you should post it in a separate thread as it's not related to the ones discussed in this thread. It's to confusing otherwise to comment it in relation to the other ones.

Michael

[Tim Simmons]

Micheal I do not mean to confuse anybody, I am a bit confused that might be why I post it here. I like many others probably just see mandau. I just noted some similarity in the scabbard colour and binding also the blade. You guys seem to have all the answers?