An rare museum piece Dajak

Dajak · 14th December 2008, 05:24 PM

Hi here an rare Dajak spear wich comes from an Volkenkundig museum in the Netherlands and now in my collection .

Never see an piece like this offer for sale .

Similar can be seen in the junboll books Borneo from the Leiden volkenkundig museum .

Ben

VVV · 14th December 2008, 05:48 PM

Congratulations!

I have never seen this kind of rare West Kalimantan spears in private collections either.

Michael

Tim Simmons · 14th December 2008, 08:27 PM

Can you show more like the other end. I am still waiting by the way.

Dajak · 14th December 2008, 11:04 PM

It is difficult to make pics off this one to show the patina on the spear .

asomotif · 15th December 2008, 09:12 AM

Hi Ben,

Can you make some additionalpictures of the spearhead ?
It is a very unusual spearhead shape, both for Borneo as for Indonesia.

Best regards,
Willem

Bill M · 15th December 2008, 03:59 PM

Very nice! Congratulations also!

Waiting to see additional pictures. Spears are difficult to photograph.

asomotif · 15th December 2008, 04:20 PM

Some daylight might help

Dajak · 15th December 2008, 05:03 PM

The Item can be found in the data base off the museum collection .

I have to ask the museum conservator for the provonance off this item .

Ben

VANDOO · 15th December 2008, 05:31 PM

CONGRADULATIONS ON A VERY INTERESTING AND RARE ITEM.

I WOULD CLASSIFY IT AS A PRESTIGE, CEREMONIAL OR SYMBOL OF RANK ITEM FIRST AND A SPEAR SECONDARY. THE CARVED HEADS REMIND ME OF BATAK DECORATION, THERE IS DAYAK DESIGN ALSO AND THE FANCY CHIP CARVING AND COLUMN STYLE CARVING I CAN'T PLACE

THE FINAL REMINDS ME OF A LOTUS BUD FORM SEEN IN INDIA, CHINA ECT. ,SO IT STRIKES ME AS A VARIETY OF CARVING FORMS. THE SPEAR POINT IS A VERY UNUSUAL FORM ALSO AND APPEARS TO BE OF VERY HIGH QUALITY, IT MAY BE EASIER TO PIN DOWN AS TO ORIGIN THAN THE CARVEING STYLES.
I HOPE YOU CAN GET SOME GOOD INFORMATION FROM THE MUSEUM ON THIS MOST INTERESTING ITEM. GOOD LUCK

VVV · 15th December 2008, 08:26 PM

What's unusual with this West Kalimantan spear is that they usually have a harpoon-like spearpoint, either single or double (like an inverted V).
I look forward to additional pictures as well as the provenance etc.

Michael

Dajak · 16th December 2008, 04:44 AM

Hi all thanks

Hi Michael it also looks that it has rare metal below the spearpoint.

Yes the rare form that is strange about this piece the metal around it is bound the same way you can find by pakayuns some mandau s.

The only thing at the moment that I now that it was collected before 1900.

Did you ever see that big spearpoint in Kopenhagen from Steen I never see an piece like that again .

Hi Vandoo the carving style is Dayak very old style I will try to make better pics off the carving and from the Juynboll book from 1910 Borneo Rijks etnografish museum

Ben

asomotif · 16th December 2008, 12:18 PM

Quote:

that they usually have a harpoon-like spearpoint, either single or double (like an inverted V).

Michael, would you qualify these spears as Borneo ?

VVV · 16th December 2008, 12:28 PM

Willem, those rare spears I would guess are from Sulawesi.
It's not the kind of spearpoint I had in mind. I was more trying to describe
the one resembling those, more arrowlike, also found on Luzon spears.
A while ago Ashoka had some Borneo spears, from the T Møller collection,
with those kind of spearpoints.

Ben, yes I usually take a look at Steen's unique spearpoint whenever I visit him.
Look forward to see more of yours.

Michael

Dajak · 16th December 2008, 06:39 PM

Hi Michael here are some pics.

I did call today the conservator off the museum and next year when he have time he will give any information he can find.

Yes the rare thing is the spearpoint but there are only a few spears off these
so they take those as example one from Leiden and one from the British museum so difficult to see more off this stuff to compare because they very rare even in the museum's .

enjoy the pics .

Ben

Cakszz · 16th July 2013, 09:37 AM

My friend has one of this rare item.. it was given from a chief in Central Borneo.. very rare item....

Maurice · 26th July 2013, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cakszz

My friend has one of this rare item.. it was given from a chief in Central Borneo.. very rare item....

Would like to see some images if possible....

Maurice

14th December 2008, 05:24 PM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	An rare museum piece Dajak Hi here an rare Dajak spear wich comes from an Volkenkundig museum in the Netherlands and now in my collection . Never see an piece like this offer for sale . Similar can be seen in the junboll books Borneo from the Leiden volkenkundig museum . Ben Attached Images

14th December 2008, 11:04 PM	#4
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	It is difficult to make pics off this one to show the patina on the spear . Attached Images

15th December 2008, 05:03 PM	#8
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	The Item can be found in the data base off the museum collection . I have to ask the museum conservator for the provonance off this item . Ben Attached Images

16th December 2008, 06:39 PM	#14
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael here are some pics. I did call today the conservator off the museum and next year when he have time he will give any information he can find. Yes the rare thing is the spearpoint but there are only a few spears off these so they take those as example one from Leiden and one from the British museum so difficult to see more off this stuff to compare because they very rare even in the museum's . enjoy the pics . Ben Attached Images

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14th December 2008, 05:48 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Congratulations! I have never seen this kind of rare West Kalimantan spears in private collections either. Michael

14th December 2008, 08:27 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Can you show more like the other end. I am still waiting by the way.

15th December 2008, 09:12 AM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,224	Hi Ben, Can you make some additionalpictures of the spearhead ? It is a very unusual spearhead shape, both for Borneo as for Indonesia. Best regards, Willem

15th December 2008, 03:59 PM	#6
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Very nice! Congratulations also! Waiting to see additional pictures. Spears are difficult to photograph.

15th December 2008, 04:20 PM	#7
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,224	Some daylight might help

15th December 2008, 05:31 PM	#9
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	CONGRADULATIONS ON A VERY INTERESTING AND RARE ITEM. I WOULD CLASSIFY IT AS A PRESTIGE, CEREMONIAL OR SYMBOL OF RANK ITEM FIRST AND A SPEAR SECONDARY. THE CARVED HEADS REMIND ME OF BATAK DECORATION, THERE IS DAYAK DESIGN ALSO AND THE FANCY CHIP CARVING AND COLUMN STYLE CARVING I CAN'T PLACE THE FINAL REMINDS ME OF A LOTUS BUD FORM SEEN IN INDIA, CHINA ECT. ,SO IT STRIKES ME AS A VARIETY OF CARVING FORMS. THE SPEAR POINT IS A VERY UNUSUAL FORM ALSO AND APPEARS TO BE OF VERY HIGH QUALITY, IT MAY BE EASIER TO PIN DOWN AS TO ORIGIN THAN THE CARVEING STYLES. I HOPE YOU CAN GET SOME GOOD INFORMATION FROM THE MUSEUM ON THIS MOST INTERESTING ITEM. GOOD LUCK

15th December 2008, 08:26 PM	#10
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	What's unusual with this West Kalimantan spear is that they usually have a harpoon-like spearpoint, either single or double (like an inverted V). I look forward to additional pictures as well as the provenance etc. Michael

16th December 2008, 04:44 AM	#11
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi all thanks Hi Michael it also looks that it has rare metal below the spearpoint. Yes the rare form that is strange about this piece the metal around it is bound the same way you can find by pakayuns some mandau s. The only thing at the moment that I now that it was collected before 1900. Did you ever see that big spearpoint in Kopenhagen from Steen I never see an piece like that again . Hi Vandoo the carving style is Dayak very old style I will try to make better pics off the carving and from the Juynboll book from 1910 Borneo Rijks etnografish museum Ben

16th December 2008, 12:28 PM	#13
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Willem, those rare spears I would guess are from Sulawesi. It's not the kind of spearpoint I had in mind. I was more trying to describe the one resembling those, more arrowlike, also found on Luzon spears. A while ago Ashoka had some Borneo spears, from the T Møller collection, with those kind of spearpoints. Ben, yes I usually take a look at Steen's unique spearpoint whenever I visit him. Look forward to see more of yours. Michael

16th July 2013, 09:37 AM	#15
Cakszz Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Balikpapan, Indonesia Posts: 31	My friend has one of this rare item.. it was given from a chief in Central Borneo.. very rare item....