My first Keris.....but is it a good one??

Henk · 15th August 2008, 06:23 PM

Very nice pamor. Balinese blade. Certainly not gonjo iras. It is a seperate gonjo.

David · 15th August 2008, 06:41 PM

Agreed....definitely not gonjo iras. Looks like a nice older blade with a good pamor. I like it!

The hilt actually looks a little better than in the sellers pics, though clearly it is a quick and unrefined job that are usually seen with this type of dress. But it does have deeper carved lines than i expected.

Rick · 15th August 2008, 07:12 PM

A little dressier but in the same vein .

katana · 15th August 2008, 08:17 PM

Thank you all for your comments

The pamor extends down the centre of the blade (Wilah ?), the slight gaps are where there is much less contrast but the 'patterning' is there.
The Ganja 'line' is quite rusty but seems to be a line made , perhaps by grinding. But I am not certain. I have taken close ups of both sides of the ganja area, one side seems to follow the pamor so assumed it was gonjo iras

Kind Regards David

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David · 15th August 2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by katana

The Ganja 'line' is quite rusty but seems to be a line made , perhaps by grinding. But I am not certain. I have taken close ups of both sides of the ganja area, one side seems to follow the pamor so assumed it was gonjo iras.

I think that's just some good matching where you see the lines meet. I have never seen a gonjo iras that shows that much separation. I would be willing to bet that if you dug around with a pin in that line the gunk would fall away and you would see that separation more clearly.

Henk · 16th August 2008, 08:45 AM

David,

David is right. This gonjo fits perfectly on the blade. It isn't grinded. In this slight spacing dust and dirt fill up the space. If I would call all my keris with such a gonjo and all keris I see on other places gonjo iras, a seperated gonjo would be a curiousity and not the gonjo iras.

katana · 16th August 2008, 09:54 AM

Hi David and Henk,
thank you for clarifying that the blade has a seperate ganja. Does this mean that the blade is older ? Or is this feature due to the skill or origin of the blade maker ?
My understanding is the the ganja acts like a cross guard, so would a seperate ganja allow an easier repair if this part is damaged. ?

The pamor of the blade ....is it a layer forge welded to a blade 'core' The reason I ask is the patterning is not even similar when you view the blade both sides (ie an area directly opposite to each other) Or is the folding during forging done many times but not enough to cause the steel to be 'homogenised'?
I also understand that meteoric ores could be added....but how would you know?

Gentlemen sorry for all the questions.....but I am learning

, thank you

Regards David

15th August 2008, 07:12 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,418	A little dressier but in the same vein . Attached Images

15th August 2008, 08:17 PM	#4
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thank you all for your comments The pamor extends down the centre of the blade (Wilah ?), the slight gaps are where there is much less contrast but the 'patterning' is there. The Ganja 'line' is quite rusty but seems to be a line made , perhaps by grinding. But I am not certain. I have taken close ups of both sides of the ganja area, one side seems to follow the pamor so assumed it was gonjo iras Kind Regards David . Attached Images

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15th August 2008, 06:23 PM	#1
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Very nice pamor. Balinese blade. Certainly not gonjo iras. It is a seperate gonjo.

15th August 2008, 06:41 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,289	Agreed....definitely not gonjo iras. Looks like a nice older blade with a good pamor. I like it! The hilt actually looks a little better than in the sellers pics, though clearly it is a quick and unrefined job that are usually seen with this type of dress. But it does have deeper carved lines than i expected.

16th August 2008, 08:45 AM	#6
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	David, David is right. This gonjo fits perfectly on the blade. It isn't grinded. In this slight spacing dust and dirt fill up the space. If I would call all my keris with such a gonjo and all keris I see on other places gonjo iras, a seperated gonjo would be a curiousity and not the gonjo iras.

16th August 2008, 09:54 AM	#7
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi David and Henk, thank you for clarifying that the blade has a seperate ganja. Does this mean that the blade is older ? Or is this feature due to the skill or origin of the blade maker ? My understanding is the the ganja acts like a cross guard, so would a seperate ganja allow an easier repair if this part is damaged. ? The pamor of the blade ....is it a layer forge welded to a blade 'core' The reason I ask is the patterning is not even similar when you view the blade both sides (ie an area directly opposite to each other) Or is the folding during forging done many times but not enough to cause the steel to be 'homogenised'? I also understand that meteoric ores could be added....but how would you know? Gentlemen sorry for all the questions.....but I am learning , thank you Regards David