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21st May 2008, 07:41 PM
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Very strange thingie..
I would not call it kilij, though. Rater, if anything, it looks like an Ottoman Sossun Pattah. I would also want better documentation of its " execution" role. First, the scabbard is very utilitarian and " field-like"; second, execution swords everywhere tended to allow for a two-handed grip. But, all doubts aside, a very impressive baby! I would not want to find myself on its receiving end. |
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21st May 2008, 10:09 PM
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I wouldn't call this a soussan pata either......
BTW - would not an Ottoman soussan pata be called a yataghan? |
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22nd May 2008, 12:12 AM
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Maybe its a Black Sea sosun pattah ?!!
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22nd May 2008, 11:09 AM
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It did sell recently
It did sell recently for $7500 dollars plus premiums, in fact the same collection that my Kindjals came from and others I have, from talking to the owner there are a good many more stories to be told about his aquistions. The collection was considered the greatest and most comprehensive antique arms collection on the eastern sea board of Australia. Food for thought.
enjoy Gav |
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22nd May 2008, 01:45 PM
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It is a unique kilij - yataghan combination, but I cannot see why it is called "Albanian" or execution sword. A normal heavy kilij would be better for the last.
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22nd May 2008, 03:35 PM
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But, seriously, there are several varieties of Sossun Pattas: the Mughal one is, indeed, just a Yataghan with a "tulwar" handle. But the Indian ones had recurved, widening blades not dissimilar from the one shown here. You can see what I mean here http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2052 http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=659 http://www.flickr.com/photos/awrose/2250985675/ |
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23rd May 2008, 12:20 AM
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23rd May 2008, 09:56 AM
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nnnnnnniiiiccceeeeee
ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I like that.
Gav |
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12th October 2008, 10:59 PM
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UPDATE
Hi, i found something very relevant to the previous one! But this looks even more like a beheading sword.
Any translation of the arabic text? |
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1st July 2010, 11:16 PM
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translation
Good people,
I have bought this forward in the hope that this tanslation question from some time ago doesn't go unanswered. I think with the wonderful help available by the very nice people who do translate, something may be learned of this very interesting sword, even if it is just a phrase or two. Gav |
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