Bali togogan (figural) hilts

BluErf · 8th May 2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VVV

Maybe Kai-Wee's long-bearded old (Chinese?) man is this hilt?
It looks like he is holding a vajra.

Michael

Bingo! This is the one I'm referring to. Thanks Michael.

Battara · 8th May 2008, 05:55 PM

Ok the gold and ruby hilt I think is Bayu (carring a "fan") and the black and silver one I think is Hanuman....

David · 8th May 2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Ok the gold and ruby hilt I think is Bayu (carring a "fan") and the black and silver one I think is Hanuman....

Thanks for clarifying Jose. The reason why i do not believe that "ruby" is Bayu is because this hilt seems to have fangs implying that it is of a demonic nature. I might be mistaken, but i do not think that Bayu would have fangs.
The sapphire & ruby one also carries the fan (or is it a mirror) and i thought that could be Bayu. It seems to be a popular ID for this style of hilt, but it could be a misinterpretation.

Jussi M. · 8th May 2008, 07:54 PM

I have no clue what I am looking at but I do know I like what I see

VVV · 8th May 2008, 10:18 PM

According to Kerner (pict 142-143 in the A4 book) the hilt I showed above is Agastya. In the, missing, right hand he holds a vessel with holy water and in the left a bell according to Kerner.
Agastya was a Shaiva-hermit with his own cult. He has a statue in for instance the Candi Singhasari, next to Durga, and probably represents both Shiva and a royal ancestor in a nocturnal magic ancestor cult.

Michael

A. G. Maisey · 8th May 2008, 11:45 PM

Doubly sorry.

I didn't know that the arrangement of pics varied with the screen, rather than the source. I'll do better next time.

I think a lot of people might have heard of Bayu. Does anybody know the mainstream name of Bayu?

Anybody know if he's got any relatives shown in this thread?

Then we might have a pic of Agastya. Anybody know how Agastya might be associated with with some of the other beings shown here?

BluErf · 9th May 2008, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by VVV

In the, missing, right hand he holds a vessel with holy water and in the left a bell according to Kerner.
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The left hand looks like it is holding a vajra. I don't know.

David · 9th May 2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

The left hand looks like it is holding a vajra. I don't know.

Well, with my own bell and vajre set the top of the bell handle has a vajre termination like this set.

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8th May 2008, 05:55 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,404	Ok the gold and ruby hilt I think is Bayu (carring a "fan") and the black and silver one I think is Hanuman....

8th May 2008, 07:54 PM	#4
Jussi M. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 235	I have no clue what I am looking at but I do know I like what I see

8th May 2008, 10:18 PM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	According to Kerner (pict 142-143 in the A4 book) the hilt I showed above is Agastya. In the, missing, right hand he holds a vessel with holy water and in the left a bell according to Kerner. Agastya was a Shaiva-hermit with his own cult. He has a statue in for instance the Candi Singhasari, next to Durga, and probably represents both Shiva and a royal ancestor in a nocturnal magic ancestor cult. Michael

8th May 2008, 11:45 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,228	Doubly sorry. I didn't know that the arrangement of pics varied with the screen, rather than the source. I'll do better next time. I think a lot of people might have heard of Bayu. Does anybody know the mainstream name of Bayu? Anybody know if he's got any relatives shown in this thread? Then we might have a pic of Agastya. Anybody know how Agastya might be associated with with some of the other beings shown here?