What Are These?

Newsteel · 20th March 2008, 02:25 AM

I was wondering too. The base looks like a keris, but the blade looks like a golok. However, it looks recently made (no more than 100 yrs).
Perhaps others might have better opinion or knowledge about this.

PenangsangII · 21st March 2008, 04:52 AM

I would say these are badik category.

Henk · 21st March 2008, 09:45 AM

I would say considering the dress, golok. The base of the blades do have keris features indeed.

Although I have to agree with newsteel about the age, I think this are well made pieces.

David · 21st March 2008, 02:15 PM

hmmm....does the type of dress actually determine what these blades would be called. True they seem to be edged on only one side which is not a usual keris feature, but everything else about the blades says keris to me. All the ricikan seem to be there. Separate gonjos. Asymetric base. So how can one call it a golok or badik?

As for age, it is really impossible to tell, but to my eyes the blades look older than the dress.

Henk · 21st March 2008, 06:17 PM

I agree completely with you David. The base of these blades look completely like keris. Still the blades in my opinion towards the point look like forged into a dagger or machete form.
Maybe the empu made a joke??

karset · 22nd March 2008, 04:26 PM

Badek Curuk Aul.Badek not badik,Sundanese call it .
"curuk" mean finger,"Aul" is wild dog.
i dont know curuk aul,is dapur or not.Story of that Badek curuk aul was used
by Jaya Prakosa , a senior warrior from Pajajaran kingdom,he run away to Sumedang Larang Kingdom in around 1567 A.D or after Pajajaran "Burak"(lost from the earth).He and 3 other warrior also bring Pajajaran crown and give it to
Geusan Ulun,sumedang larang prince.
by the way Geusan ulun museum is 60km east from Bandung.Located at Sumedang.

A. G. Maisey · 25th March 2008, 01:26 AM

There is a very rare type of Javanese pedang that has a kembang kacang and sogokan, in fact, the base of the blade is very similar to that of a keris, and sometimes the blade is waved. I have one, or perhaps two of these. I've been looking for them, but I cannot find them, if I ever do find them, I'll post pics.

These two Bandung pieces are in my opinion commercial creations that have utilised the concept of the pedang type that I mention.

It is difficult to tell too much from these photos, but my impression is that the forge work in the blades in not particularly wonderful---the material looks as if it might have been a bit hot short. The handle on the one without metal;work in the dress looks exactly like the sort of thing I saw in the 1970's; the dress on the more flamboyant of the two looks to be flashy but of no particular quality.

I believe these two pieces to be West Javanese commercial productions from the period after about 1960.

22nd March 2008, 04:26 PM	#6
karset Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 48	curuk aul Badek Curuk Aul.Badek not badik,Sundanese call it . "curuk" mean finger,"Aul" is wild dog. i dont know curuk aul,is dapur or not.Story of that Badek curuk aul was used by Jaya Prakosa , a senior warrior from Pajajaran kingdom,he run away to Sumedang Larang Kingdom in around 1567 A.D or after Pajajaran "Burak"(lost from the earth).He and 3 other warrior also bring Pajajaran crown and give it to Geusan Ulun,sumedang larang prince. by the way Geusan ulun museum is 60km east from Bandung.Located at Sumedang.

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20th March 2008, 02:25 AM	#1
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	I was wondering too. The base looks like a keris, but the blade looks like a golok. However, it looks recently made (no more than 100 yrs). Perhaps others might have better opinion or knowledge about this.

21st March 2008, 04:52 AM	#2
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	I would say these are badik category.

21st March 2008, 09:45 AM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I would say considering the dress, golok. The base of the blades do have keris features indeed. Although I have to agree with newsteel about the age, I think this are well made pieces.

21st March 2008, 02:15 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	hmmm....does the type of dress actually determine what these blades would be called. True they seem to be edged on only one side which is not a usual keris feature, but everything else about the blades says keris to me. All the ricikan seem to be there. Separate gonjos. Asymetric base. So how can one call it a golok or badik? As for age, it is really impossible to tell, but to my eyes the blades look older than the dress.

21st March 2008, 06:17 PM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I agree completely with you David. The base of these blades look completely like keris. Still the blades in my opinion towards the point look like forged into a dagger or machete form. Maybe the empu made a joke??

25th March 2008, 01:26 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	There is a very rare type of Javanese pedang that has a kembang kacang and sogokan, in fact, the base of the blade is very similar to that of a keris, and sometimes the blade is waved. I have one, or perhaps two of these. I've been looking for them, but I cannot find them, if I ever do find them, I'll post pics. These two Bandung pieces are in my opinion commercial creations that have utilised the concept of the pedang type that I mention. It is difficult to tell too much from these photos, but my impression is that the forge work in the blades in not particularly wonderful---the material looks as if it might have been a bit hot short. The handle on the one without metal;work in the dress looks exactly like the sort of thing I saw in the 1970's; the dress on the more flamboyant of the two looks to be flashy but of no particular quality. I believe these two pieces to be West Javanese commercial productions from the period after about 1960.