Help with Keris ID and information

Raja Muda · 9th March 2005, 02:57 AM

Hi,

I don't think this is a Moro piece. I would lean heavily in favour or Malay or Sumatran. At first glance, it could be a straight variant of Keris Melela, with those wide fullers. I think the Javanese style ukiran is all wrong. Why not try and fix it with a kerdas type hulu and we'll take another look at it again

John · 9th March 2005, 05:45 AM

From a thread in the archives (Paul's collection), keris 14 looks identical, except for some obvious difference at the base of blade.

http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~pfrandes/

For ease of reference;

Raja Muda · 9th March 2005, 08:10 AM

Yep, exactly what I was thinking of John. But take a close look at mmontoro's keris and compare it with Paul's. There's no picetan and sogokan.

rasdan · 9th March 2005, 09:01 AM

I think mmontoro's keris does have a picitan and the sogokan runs from the so-soran to the tip.

BluErf · 9th March 2005, 12:49 PM

Just when we think we have seen everything, something weird pops up.

I have a feeling this is a Riau Bugis keris blade, or a S. Malay Bugis keris blade. Its different in aesthetics from the N Malay blades which tend towards "long and lanky" forms (like Paul's keris). The fullers are unusual...

rahman · 9th March 2005, 01:20 PM

Take another look at Paul's keris -- it has a pinggang (waist). It tapers in and then flares out. There's a certain grace to it, as in most other keris.

That's what threw me off with mmontoro's keris. It flares out suddenly (almost like a sundang). This is either a hybrid or someone's bad idea of a copycat sundang. But at 13.5ins, it's too short to be sundang.

mmontoro · 9th March 2005, 03:33 PM

Thank you to everyone for your comments. If I may ask a few questions, please forgive my ignorance regarding keris and appropriate terminology.

What does the term, "Malela" mean? Is it a reference to geographical orgin or blade type?

Is is a correct assumption that the hulu it is wearing does not belong to this type? If so, which type is correct and where might I get one and the correct pendongkok?

Is this style of blade considered more for fighting than one with luk?

Does this type usually have pamor?

Thanks, again.

9th March 2005, 02:57 AM	#1
Raja Muda Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 100	Keris Melela Hi, I don't think this is a Moro piece. I would lean heavily in favour or Malay or Sumatran. At first glance, it could be a straight variant of Keris Melela, with those wide fullers. I think the Javanese style ukiran is all wrong. Why not try and fix it with a kerdas type hulu and we'll take another look at it again

9th March 2005, 05:45 AM	#2
John Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Land below the wind Posts: 135	Looks a Keris Malela to me too. From a thread in the archives (Paul's collection), keris 14 looks identical, except for some obvious difference at the base of blade. http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~pfrandes/ For ease of reference;

9th March 2005, 08:10 AM	#3
Raja Muda Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 100	Melela Yep, exactly what I was thinking of John. But take a close look at mmontoro's keris and compare it with Paul's. There's no picetan and sogokan.

9th March 2005, 03:33 PM	#7
mmontoro Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 91	Thanks and a couple of questions Thank you to everyone for your comments. If I may ask a few questions, please forgive my ignorance regarding keris and appropriate terminology. What does the term, "Malela" mean? Is it a reference to geographical orgin or blade type? Is is a correct assumption that the hulu it is wearing does not belong to this type? If so, which type is correct and where might I get one and the correct pendongkok? Is this style of blade considered more for fighting than one with luk? Does this type usually have pamor? Thanks, again.

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9th March 2005, 09:01 AM	#4
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	I think mmontoro's keris does have a picitan and the sogokan runs from the so-soran to the tip.

9th March 2005, 12:49 PM	#5
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Just when we think we have seen everything, something weird pops up. I have a feeling this is a Riau Bugis keris blade, or a S. Malay Bugis keris blade. Its different in aesthetics from the N Malay blades which tend towards "long and lanky" forms (like Paul's keris). The fullers are unusual...

9th March 2005, 01:20 PM	#6
rahman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 84	Take another look at Paul's keris -- it has a pinggang (waist). It tapers in and then flares out. There's a certain grace to it, as in most other keris. That's what threw me off with mmontoro's keris. It flares out suddenly (almost like a sundang). This is either a hybrid or someone's bad idea of a copycat sundang. But at 13.5ins, it's too short to be sundang.