Ivory hilt dagger with "Tears" and a "Smiley?"

Jens Nordlunde · 1st August 2007, 05:00 PM

I would have said a raven, but after having read Rand's and Kronckew's posts, and having had another look at the bird, I think it may be a peacock after all, due to the way the tail feathers are made. Besides from being a royal bird, and a pet of the God of war, the peacock is a very good watch bird and will make a lot of noice if intruders try to get in where they have nothing to do.

rand · 1st August 2007, 10:15 PM

Its also interesting that the bird is chiseled into the bolsa and the work on it matches the cut out for the tears of the wounded. Looks like the same tools marks to me.

rand

Jens Nordlunde · 1st August 2007, 10:29 PM

Yes Rand, in this case it is, most likely, that the same man made the whole knife - interesting.

rand · 2nd August 2007, 06:58 AM

Found and article about the magnetic field in wootz... based on a 16th Persian dagger purchased from Leo Figiel...

http://home.clara.net/andywrobertson...02_dagger.html

rand

kronckew · 2nd August 2007, 07:45 AM

the graphic mag plot appears to be a fractal much like this mandelbrot plot.

chaos theory in action....

Andrew · 2nd August 2007, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rand

Found and article about the magnetic field in wootz... based on a 16th Persian dagger purchased from Leo Figiel...

http://home.clara.net/andywrobertson...02_dagger.html

rand

That article contains some terms I am unfamiliar with: "Yesodic entities", "the Darks", "Briahtic structures".

kronckew · 2nd August 2007, 03:28 PM

Have a look at the related web page: HERE

looks a bit piscatorial to me. someone forgot to take their meds and hasn't properly grounded their tinfoil hat. or they're trying to apply some serious traction to our legs.....

i like the kard in the illustration which is NOT the one in the article, just 'similar'

i have a related question: how do you spell 'spoof' ?

Mare Rosu · 3rd August 2007, 08:15 PM

Man, go away for a day or two and looks what happens to this thread!

Starting at the top and working down.

Rand; Kronckew; Jens, Thank you for the bird (be careful now) information, so we now all agree it is a Peacock.

Rand, just where in the world? did you come up with that story on Figiel's blade? some strange information.
only to be toped by Kronckew post on the even more stranger information!

Andrew at least you got your information about the meanings of those words, so did I, I just hope you understand it better than I do, which is not at all

"At some point, far in the past, cross-Domain contact between Yesod and Briah was established. This may be a natural phenomenon or may be (hard as it is to believe) the result of an intelligent manipulation of natural laws by the Darks."
Hard to believe?? He sure got that right, man, that is some heavy stuff going on here.
I think Rivkin needs to post, and tell us just what is going on with all of this
stuff

I thank (I think) Rand and Kronckew for the information, I just need to lay down for awhile.
Gene

David · 7th August 2007, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

That article contains some terms I am unfamiliar with: "Yesodic entities", "the Darks", "Briahtic structures".

Andrew, these are Qabalistic terms, though i don't quite grasp how or why he is using these in this article as i have merely skimmed it for the terms. Briah refers to one of the 4 Qabalistic worlds, the world of creation. Yesod is one of the 10 (or 11

) spheres on the Tree of Life, the 9th sphere, one level up from our material world of Malkuth.

Mare Rosu · 7th August 2007, 10:08 PM

Rand, the information on the different types of Ivory is much appreciated.

Jens would you please tell me what I am looking at/for, in your last picture? Which one is which?

David much needed information, now I am a little (very little) less confused.

Folks I am going to take the dagger to an handle material expert tomorrow.
I will let you know what I find out from them. These folks sell all types of handle material to the knife trade including ivory. There business is located only a few miles away. Stay tuned!
Gene

1st August 2007, 10:15 PM	#2
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Metalwork on Bolsa & Tang Its also interesting that the bird is chiseled into the bolsa and the work on it matches the cut out for the tears of the wounded. Looks like the same tools marks to me. rand

2nd August 2007, 06:58 AM	#4
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	The Far Field- Magnetic field in wootz Found and article about the magnetic field in wootz... based on a 16th Persian dagger purchased from Leo Figiel... http://home.clara.net/andywrobertson...02_dagger.html rand

3rd August 2007, 08:15 PM	#8
Mare Rosu Deceased Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA, DEEP SOUTH, GEORGIA, Y'all hear? Posts: 121	SAY WHAT? Man, go away for a day or two and looks what happens to this thread! Starting at the top and working down. Rand; Kronckew; Jens, Thank you for the bird (be careful now) information, so we now all agree it is a Peacock. Rand, just where in the world? did you come up with that story on Figiel's blade? some strange information. only to be toped by Kronckew post on the even more stranger information! Andrew at least you got your information about the meanings of those words, so did I, I just hope you understand it better than I do, which is not at all "At some point, far in the past, cross-Domain contact between Yesod and Briah was established. This may be a natural phenomenon or may be (hard as it is to believe) the result of an intelligent manipulation of natural laws by the Darks." Hard to believe?? He sure got that right, man, that is some heavy stuff going on here. I think Rivkin needs to post, and tell us just what is going on with all of this stuff I thank (I think) Rand and Kronckew for the information, I just need to lay down for awhile. Gene

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1st August 2007, 05:00 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	I would have said a raven, but after having read Rand's and Kronckew's posts, and having had another look at the bird, I think it may be a peacock after all, due to the way the tail feathers are made. Besides from being a royal bird, and a pet of the God of war, the peacock is a very good watch bird and will make a lot of noice if intruders try to get in where they have nothing to do.

1st August 2007, 10:29 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Yes Rand, in this case it is, most likely, that the same man made the whole knife - interesting.

2nd August 2007, 07:45 AM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,286	the graphic mag plot appears to be a fractal much like this mandelbrot plot. chaos theory in action....

2nd August 2007, 03:28 PM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,286	Have a look at the related web page: HERE looks a bit piscatorial to me. someone forgot to take their meds and hasn't properly grounded their tinfoil hat. or they're trying to apply some serious traction to our legs..... i like the kard in the illustration which is NOT the one in the article, just 'similar' i have a related question: how do you spell 'spoof' ?

7th August 2007, 10:08 PM	#10
Mare Rosu Deceased Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA, DEEP SOUTH, GEORGIA, Y'all hear? Posts: 121	Rand, the information on the different types of Ivory is much appreciated. Jens would you please tell me what I am looking at/for, in your last picture? Which one is which? David much needed information, now I am a little (very little) less confused. Folks I am going to take the dagger to an handle material expert tomorrow. I will let you know what I find out from them. These folks sell all types of handle material to the knife trade including ivory. There business is located only a few miles away. Stay tuned! Gene