bali keris for comment

ronpakis · 31st May 2007, 08:13 PM

this keris, or what's left of it, was found on a mine sweeper wich was damaged in 1940 to avoid capture of the germans. The previous owner took it from the ship when it was left alone. He was then 16 years old. The ship can be seen here: http://www.dutchfleet.net/viewtopic.php?t=7405
The ship was in the harbour of Enkhuizen (netherlands), the city where i live, when it was taken. Any earlier information is unknown (about his particular piece)
It is heavily damaged but it has an incredible nice pamor, udan mas according to Tammens part 2, and also the blade fits the topsheath very good, so worth restoring i would guess. The mendak is unfortunatly missing but what is worse is that it probably once had an pendok, now its gone. In stead of the pendok that part is painted yellow (oker)

(anybody has an old bali mendak?)

Thanks for your comments,

Greetings Ron

Lew · 31st May 2007, 08:24 PM

Nice old Balines keris you have there. You can contact Alan Maisey he has a few nice Balinese mendak/uwer on his website.

http://www.kerisattosanaji.com/uwer.html

Lew

David · 31st May 2007, 09:01 PM

Actually Ron, if you ask me (i suppose i am an optimist

) i would say that the keris is in pretty good shape. Even if you can't restore the sheath, the blade looks great. Needs a good wash and a proper staining, but it has held up rather well, especially considering where it has been living over the years and it's lack of care.
As Lew points out, uwers (mendak) are fairly easy to come by and relatively cheap, even for a silver one.
I can't see if any of the actual wood is missing, but if not you can probably restore the sheath to some form of usefulness.
If you don't want to undertake such a project send it to me. I might not give it back to you afterwards, but i will give it a good home.

Alam Shah · 1st June 2007, 10:06 AM

Hi Ron, nice blade... based on what can be seen, the pamor should be nice as well. I don't think the pamor is udan mas. It looks more like bendo segodo, based on the faint pamor.

The sheath is salvagable and restorable.
Regarding other parts, others had given their opinions.

A. G. Maisey · 1st June 2007, 10:26 AM

I concur with everything that has been said. This is an easy restoration job. and should come up brilliantly.

ronpakis · 1st June 2007, 11:43 AM

Thanks for the comments all.
With some tlc it should turn out rather nice. If it is really udan mas i don't know but tammens calls it that way so it is easily sought after if you have the book. It is almost exactly like his drawing. Im sorry but im unable to make better pictures.
What would you do with the painted part? Im considering to try and find the same colour and repaint it. Right now this is to much damaged to let it stay this way.

Greetings Ron

Alam Shah · 1st June 2007, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronpakis

... If it is really udan mas i don't know but tammens calls it that way so it is easily sought after if you have the book. It is almost exactly like his drawing. Im sorry but im unable to make better pictures...
Greetings Ron

Hi Ron,
reference from Tammens, should be in Pg 26-27, Bendo Segodo. It's not like Udas Mas, in Pg 148-149.

Here's an Udan Mas for comparison. [ example ]

ronpakis · 3rd June 2007, 05:03 PM

Hi Alam and others of course,

I can see the difference with the one in the link. But it is also not very simmilar to the bendo seggodo but then again the tammens book is just a guideline. It looks like a double bendo segodo but at some places the fifth cirkel in the middle can bee seen like in the udan mas drawing. Any ideas about the paint job?

greetings Ron

David · 13th June 2007, 02:22 PM

Asian-Keris, please check your private messages and send me a response.

Tatyana Dianova · 21st June 2007, 10:04 AM

I am interested: should there be a pendok? Because the sheath is painted?

ronpakis · 22nd June 2007, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatyana Dianova

I am interested: should there be a pendok? Because the sheath is painted?

hi tatyana,

if there did not need to be a pendok there is no reason to paint it this way because only the front is a nice piece of wood. the back is a simple piece. this is often seen with kerisses wich had a pendok because the pendoks from bali often are open on the front to show a nice piece of wood.

greetings ron

BluErf · 23rd June 2007, 04:47 AM

The pelet wood used for the sheath and hilt looks very promising. Clean it up and give it some nourishing wood oil and I think you'd have a fantastic-looking sheath.

I should say that you CANNOT find pelet wood like this any more. So please take care of the wooden sheath and treasure it.

ronpakis · 25th June 2007, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf

The pelet wood used for the sheath and hilt looks very promising. Clean it up and give it some nourishing wood oil and I think you'd have a fantastic-looking sheath.

I should say that you CANNOT find pelet wood like this any more. So please take care of the wooden sheath and treasure it.

thanks for the comment bluerf,
if i find the result good enough i''ll post another picture, (in time)

asian-keris · 27th June 2007, 08:37 PM

Ron,
The painted (usually ochre colour) backside "gandar" is quite common to bali keris.
I think this sarong did't have the half pendok.
This painted backside is to prevent wear.
I have heard this paint contains arsenic components so beware when you repaint this.
best regards,
Gert-Jan

31st May 2007, 08:13 PM	#1
ronpakis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 75	bali keris for comment this keris, or what's left of it, was found on a mine sweeper wich was damaged in 1940 to avoid capture of the germans. The previous owner took it from the ship when it was left alone. He was then 16 years old. The ship can be seen here: http://www.dutchfleet.net/viewtopic.php?t=7405 The ship was in the harbour of Enkhuizen (netherlands), the city where i live, when it was taken. Any earlier information is unknown (about his particular piece) It is heavily damaged but it has an incredible nice pamor, udan mas according to Tammens part 2, and also the blade fits the topsheath very good, so worth restoring i would guess. The mendak is unfortunatly missing but what is worse is that it probably once had an pendok, now its gone. In stead of the pendok that part is painted yellow (oker) (anybody has an old bali mendak?) Thanks for your comments, Greetings Ron Attached Images

1st June 2007, 11:43 AM	#6
ronpakis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 75	restoring Thanks for the comments all. With some tlc it should turn out rather nice. If it is really udan mas i don't know but tammens calls it that way so it is easily sought after if you have the book. It is almost exactly like his drawing. Im sorry but im unable to make better pictures. What would you do with the painted part? Im considering to try and find the same colour and repaint it. Right now this is to much damaged to let it stay this way. Greetings Ron

3rd June 2007, 05:03 PM	#8
ronpakis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 75	udan mas or bendo segodo Hi Alam and others of course, I can see the difference with the one in the link. But it is also not very simmilar to the bendo seggodo but then again the tammens book is just a guideline. It looks like a double bendo segodo but at some places the fifth cirkel in the middle can bee seen like in the udan mas drawing. Any ideas about the paint job? greetings Ron

27th June 2007, 08:37 PM	#14
asian-keris Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 32	Bali gandar sarong part Ron, The painted (usually ochre colour) backside "gandar" is quite common to bali keris. I think this sarong did't have the half pendok. This painted backside is to prevent wear. I have heard this paint contains arsenic components so beware when you repaint this. best regards, Gert-Jan

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31st May 2007, 08:24 PM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Nice old Balines keris you have there. You can contact Alan Maisey he has a few nice Balinese mendak/uwer on his website. http://www.kerisattosanaji.com/uwer.html Lew

31st May 2007, 09:01 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	Actually Ron, if you ask me (i suppose i am an optimist ) i would say that the keris is in pretty good shape. Even if you can't restore the sheath, the blade looks great. Needs a good wash and a proper staining, but it has held up rather well, especially considering where it has been living over the years and it's lack of care. As Lew points out, uwers (mendak) are fairly easy to come by and relatively cheap, even for a silver one. I can't see if any of the actual wood is missing, but if not you can probably restore the sheath to some form of usefulness. If you don't want to undertake such a project send it to me. I might not give it back to you afterwards, but i will give it a good home.

1st June 2007, 10:06 AM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi Ron, nice blade... based on what can be seen, the pamor should be nice as well. I don't think the pamor is udan mas. It looks more like bendo segodo, based on the faint pamor. The sheath is salvagable and restorable. Regarding other parts, others had given their opinions.

1st June 2007, 10:26 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,897	I concur with everything that has been said. This is an easy restoration job. and should come up brilliantly.

13th June 2007, 02:22 PM	#9
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	Asian-Keris, please check your private messages and send me a response.

21st June 2007, 10:04 AM	#10
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 701	I am interested: should there be a pendok? Because the sheath is painted?

23rd June 2007, 04:47 AM	#12
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	The pelet wood used for the sheath and hilt looks very promising. Clean it up and give it some nourishing wood oil and I think you'd have a fantastic-looking sheath. I should say that you CANNOT find pelet wood like this any more. So please take care of the wooden sheath and treasure it.