khayber Sword

kronckew · 23rd May 2007, 04:12 PM

i have a similar one without the decoration and a plain wood grip - the moment you pick it up you know it's the real thing, made for battle and not for decoration.

it sings - the pathan who carried mine may have owed fealty to the one who carried yours

mine didn't come with a scabbard tho, i''l have to find one or have one made. always nice to see pics of them as a complete weapons system.

i see your scabbard comes with the original late 19th c. pathan electricians tape . you may want to replace that with something more modern, like leather......

i wonder if t.sisco does khybers at the sarki shop......

Jens Nordlunde · 23rd May 2007, 04:46 PM

If you have not, then try to make a ’search’, and you will see there are quite a number of threads. The blades are mostly alike, some decorated and some not, but notice the very different hilt forms.

ariel · 23rd May 2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

If you have not, then try to make a ’search’, and you will see there are quite a number of threads. The blades are mostly alike, some decorated and some not, but notice the very different hilt forms.

That what interested me for quite some time. Indeed, the handles are quite different and fall into 3 types; what we see on the example here ( rounded pommel), the ones with a lobulated pommel and the ones with no pommel at all ( more like kard).
Is there any tribal/geographical connection?

Jim McDougall · 23rd May 2007, 05:35 PM

Excellent observation Jens! It does indeed seem that most variation is in the hilts, and as Ariel has suggested, quite possibly tribal or regional variation.
Kronckew, LOL!

very good observation on the 19th c. Pathan electricians tape!!!!

On the mounts, I notice the familiar circled dot motif that is typically seen on weapons from Afghanistan and surrounding regions. From what I understand, this is a simple, but quite ancient geometric motif that is often found in these regions. Can anyone elaborate more on this motif? I have seen the same on lohars as well as buzkhashi whips.

All the best,
Jim

Jens Nordlunde · 23rd May 2007, 06:13 PM

Yes Ariel, but it should also be remembered that there are variation of the different types. I think the different types come from different clans, although I can't prove it.
Yes Jim, the circle decoration is interesting, and as you mention, also seen on other Afghan weapons.
Jens

spiral · 23rd May 2007, 07:01 PM

Nice piece Bill, Given the walrus hilt & clearly original koftgari I would be surprised if it isnt wootz.

Spiral

Rick · 23rd May 2007, 07:17 PM

A fancy piece , just closed.
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23rd May 2007, 04:12 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,276	i have a similar one without the decoration and a plain wood grip - the moment you pick it up you know it's the real thing, made for battle and not for decoration. it sings - the pathan who carried mine may have owed fealty to the one who carried yours mine didn't come with a scabbard tho, i''l have to find one or have one made. always nice to see pics of them as a complete weapons system. i see your scabbard comes with the original late 19th c. pathan electricians tape . you may want to replace that with something more modern, like leather...... i wonder if t.sisco does khybers at the sarki shop......

23rd May 2007, 04:46 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	If you have not, then try to make a ’search’, and you will see there are quite a number of threads. The blades are mostly alike, some decorated and some not, but notice the very different hilt forms.

23rd May 2007, 05:35 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,782	Excellent observation Jens! It does indeed seem that most variation is in the hilts, and as Ariel has suggested, quite possibly tribal or regional variation. Kronckew, LOL! very good observation on the 19th c. Pathan electricians tape!!!! On the mounts, I notice the familiar circled dot motif that is typically seen on weapons from Afghanistan and surrounding regions. From what I understand, this is a simple, but quite ancient geometric motif that is often found in these regions. Can anyone elaborate more on this motif? I have seen the same on lohars as well as buzkhashi whips. All the best, Jim

23rd May 2007, 06:13 PM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Yes Ariel, but it should also be remembered that there are variation of the different types. I think the different types come from different clans, although I can't prove it. Yes Jim, the circle decoration is interesting, and as you mention, also seen on other Afghan weapons. Jens

23rd May 2007, 07:01 PM	#6
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Nice piece Bill, Given the walrus hilt & clearly original koftgari I would be surprised if it isnt wootz. Spiral

23rd May 2007, 07:17 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,384	A fancy piece , just closed. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting