What's this ???

Freddy · 16th March 2007, 10:58 PM

I bought this piece yesterday. I really have no idea what I found. It looked genuine, it's heavy and quite sharp. Some kind of sickle (weapon), I guess.

Total length is 64 cm, with a wooden handle measuring about 10 cm. The blade is very thick.

Can anyone help ?

Tim Simmons · 17th March 2007, 10:36 AM

It makes me think of Taiwan/Formosa.

yuanzhumin · 17th March 2007, 12:41 PM

Hi
Tim, did you say Taiwan/Formosa ? Here I am

Well, if this knife was from Taiwan, it would be from the Atayal group whose swords are sharing a very similar shape. Most of the other tribes, mainly in the south of the island, use straight blades.
So yours, Freddy, could be similar in the shape with the Atayal's ones, but it appears to me still very different in many points.
My english not being good enough to explain these differences, I let you compare with the help of the pics I hereafter attached.
These are my Atayal swords, out of their sheath.
Judge by yourself !
Best,
yuanzhumin

Henk · 17th March 2007, 05:37 PM

I would say malay. Just my first impression.

Don't think it is a weapon but a tool for harvesting. But a kitchen knife can be a mean weapon as well.

Andrew · 17th March 2007, 08:18 PM

I like that! Interesting--looks like it is socketed? Is it tanged as well?

The turned handle looks fairly recent. I wouldn't expect a socketed blade to have such a short handle. Perhaps a pole-arm or longer agricultural tool re-handled?

Freddy · 18th March 2007, 03:11 PM

I examined the piece and, as far as I can see, it has no tang. The blade is socketed. I guess the handle is much longer than can be seen. I also think the handle is much older than it looks on a picture. There's a hole drilled in the lower part, probably for a cord

I took a scan of the handle and the lower part of the blade. The red arrow shows the 'seam' of the socket. The blue arrow shows the hole in the handle.

I'm still trying to find out where the piece comes from. Could it be a celurit ?

Pukka Bundook · 18th March 2007, 04:04 PM

If it had a handle maybe 2 1/2 feet long, I'd have said it was a 'switching slasher'
If it Was one of these, they were used for trimming hedges and such like on farms.
most had forward curving blades, some curved opposite way.
I'm not saying it Is a slasher,.........but it Would work awfully well as one! (I've cut miles of hedges with a similar tool!)
I think it is very functional and elegant.

Emanuel · 27th March 2007, 07:39 PM

Here is something similar: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...5147&rd=1&rd=1
and some searches on "clurit" reveal Madurese provenance.

Emanuel

16th March 2007, 10:58 PM	#1
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	What's this ??? I bought this piece yesterday. I really have no idea what I found. It looked genuine, it's heavy and quite sharp. Some kind of sickle (weapon), I guess. Total length is 64 cm, with a wooden handle measuring about 10 cm. The blade is very thick. Can anyone help ?

17th March 2007, 12:41 PM	#3
yuanzhumin Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ex-Taipei, Taiwan, now in Shanghai, China Posts: 180	Hi Tim, did you say Taiwan/Formosa ? Here I am Well, if this knife was from Taiwan, it would be from the Atayal group whose swords are sharing a very similar shape. Most of the other tribes, mainly in the south of the island, use straight blades. So yours, Freddy, could be similar in the shape with the Atayal's ones, but it appears to me still very different in many points. My english not being good enough to explain these differences, I let you compare with the help of the pics I hereafter attached. These are my Atayal swords, out of their sheath. Judge by yourself ! Best, yuanzhumin Attached Images

27th March 2007, 07:39 PM	#8
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Here is something similar: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...5147&rd=1&rd=1 and some searches on "clurit" reveal Madurese provenance. Emanuel Attached Images

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17th March 2007, 10:36 AM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	It makes me think of Taiwan/Formosa.

17th March 2007, 05:37 PM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I would say malay. Just my first impression. Don't think it is a weapon but a tool for harvesting. But a kitchen knife can be a mean weapon as well.

17th March 2007, 08:18 PM	#5
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	I like that! Interesting--looks like it is socketed? Is it tanged as well? The turned handle looks fairly recent. I wouldn't expect a socketed blade to have such a short handle. Perhaps a pole-arm or longer agricultural tool re-handled?

18th March 2007, 03:11 PM	#6
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	I examined the piece and, as far as I can see, it has no tang. The blade is socketed. I guess the handle is much longer than can be seen. I also think the handle is much older than it looks on a picture. There's a hole drilled in the lower part, probably for a cord I took a scan of the handle and the lower part of the blade. The red arrow shows the 'seam' of the socket. The blue arrow shows the hole in the handle. I'm still trying to find out where the piece comes from. Could it be a celurit ?

18th March 2007, 04:04 PM	#7
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	If it had a handle maybe 2 1/2 feet long, I'd have said it was a 'switching slasher' If it Was one of these, they were used for trimming hedges and such like on farms. most had forward curving blades, some curved opposite way. I'm not saying it Is a slasher,.........but it Would work awfully well as one! (I've cut miles of hedges with a similar tool!) I think it is very functional and elegant.