Can you Identify Horn hilts from photographs and or sellers descriptions?

Philip · 13th December 2006, 07:35 AM

Pictures can deceive, but I see the porous cellular structure of wood grain here. I find that once you grind the exterior "bark" off of antler, you end up with a dense, material that doesn't have a noticeable fibrous grain.

katana · 13th December 2006, 02:51 PM

Thankyou Gentlemen,
for your input. Its been mentioned before that horn has tubular forms in its cellular structure which are noticeable on the 'end grain'. Overall the posted pics do have a wood grain 'look' but I think there is some translucence and some 'evidence of the 'tubular' structure.

spiral · 13th December 2006, 05:07 PM

[QUOTE=katana}. Its been mentioned before that horn has tubular forms in its cellular structure which are noticeable on the 'end grain'. Overall the posted pics do have a wood grain 'look' but I think there is some translucence and some 'evidence of the 'tubular' structure.[/QUOTE]

Looks like dyed wood to me, all timber is tubular & fiberous in structure.

What you call translucence looks like light reflection to me.

Spiral

Rick · 13th December 2006, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiral

What you call translucence looks like light reflection to me.
Spiral

The translucence could also be an area of wear making it lighter .

Is this a Yat hilt ?

katana · 13th December 2006, 08:37 PM

The hilt is of an African Baja knife

spiral · 13th December 2006, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

The translucence could also be an area of wear making it lighter .

Is this a Yat hilt ?

Thats true Rick, I just got the impresion it was flash photography, but I think you hit the nail on the head.

Or a combination of both factors perhaps?

Spiral

BSMStar · 22nd December 2006, 06:59 PM

As a professional that works with color for a living, let me give you my two cents worth.

I am going to try to avoid things like metamerism and appearance (as much as I can) so:

1. Color is not as cut a dried as you may think.

2. As human observers, we have bias… that is we may not see color the same way (an extreme example would be... one of the forms of color blindness).

3. Cameras have bias.

The first example below is where two colors appear to match by eye, but not by digital camera.

Appearance and angle of view are everything… the second example (the grays) is of three samples at two angles of view: Which are the same color and which are not?

A word to the wise… judgments on color solely from pictures can be a dangerous thing, especially if you are thinking about thumping down a sizable stack of cash. You be the judge.

For all I know (just from the above pictures), the item could be plastic. Only the person taking the picture knows for sure.

katana · 22nd December 2006, 07:42 PM

Hi BSMStar,
very interesting angle and the 'grey' examples brilliantly demonstrate your point. I understand that 'colour' is the reflected light waves from an object....so it also makes sense that the type/source of light could easily alter the shade/hue of that colour......So colour would be a possible 'problem' in ID'ing certain materials.

Could the 'texture' of a material be falsely 'interpreted' (either deliberately or unknowingly) by a camera..assuming the image is clear?

13th December 2006, 02:51 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thankyou Gentlemen, for your input. Its been mentioned before that horn has tubular forms in its cellular structure which are noticeable on the 'end grain'. Overall the posted pics do have a wood grain 'look' but I think there is some translucence and some 'evidence of the 'tubular' structure. Attached Images

22nd December 2006, 06:59 PM	#7
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	A Picture is worth a thousand words? As a professional that works with color for a living, let me give you my two cents worth. I am going to try to avoid things like metamerism and appearance (as much as I can) so: 1. Color is not as cut a dried as you may think. 2. As human observers, we have bias… that is we may not see color the same way (an extreme example would be... one of the forms of color blindness). 3. Cameras have bias. The first example below is where two colors appear to match by eye, but not by digital camera. Appearance and angle of view are everything… the second example (the grays) is of three samples at two angles of view: Which are the same color and which are not? A word to the wise… judgments on color solely from pictures can be a dangerous thing, especially if you are thinking about thumping down a sizable stack of cash. You be the judge. For all I know (just from the above pictures), the item could be plastic. Only the person taking the picture knows for sure. Attached Images

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13th December 2006, 07:35 AM	#1
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	Pictures can deceive, but I see the porous cellular structure of wood grain here. I find that once you grind the exterior "bark" off of antler, you end up with a dense, material that doesn't have a noticeable fibrous grain.

13th December 2006, 05:07 PM	#3
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	[QUOTE=katana}. Its been mentioned before that horn has tubular forms in its cellular structure which are noticeable on the 'end grain'. Overall the posted pics do have a wood grain 'look' but I think there is some translucence and some 'evidence of the 'tubular' structure.[/QUOTE] Looks like dyed wood to me, all timber is tubular & fiberous in structure. What you call translucence looks like light reflection to me. Spiral

13th December 2006, 08:37 PM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	The hilt is of an African Baja knife

22nd December 2006, 07:42 PM	#8
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi BSMStar, very interesting angle and the 'grey' examples brilliantly demonstrate your point. I understand that 'colour' is the reflected light waves from an object....so it also makes sense that the type/source of light could easily alter the shade/hue of that colour......So colour would be a possible 'problem' in ID'ing certain materials. Could the 'texture' of a material be falsely 'interpreted' (either deliberately or unknowingly) by a camera..assuming the image is clear?