Tumbok Lada classification

VVV · 12th November 2006, 08:29 PM

Hi Drdavid,

I think it's hard to say what your blade is?
It has the lenght of a small Golok but I would hesitate to call it that because of the blade's shape?
Goloks, as I understand it, are made primarily for cutting and yours looks like it's made primarily for thrusting.

Another example is this blade.
It's 54 cm overall with a blade of 40 cm that could be used both for cutting and thrusting. Feels primarily like a slashing blade.
I haven't found out yet what it is?
Maybe a Golok Rembau (see Hill and van Z)?

Michael

drdavid · 20th November 2006, 09:36 AM

Hi Michael
you are correct mine does not have the feel or look of a slashing weapon, but as a stabbing one it would be effective. Van Zonneveld's description of a Golok Rembau sounds pretty good, a bit bigger than a Tumbok Lada but similar shape. Thanks for your help.
cheers
David

CharlesS · 20th November 2006, 12:37 PM

Let me throw another term into the mix...'kirah'....I am not exactly sure how this differs from a sewar.

Any input Michael?

Lovely pieces, as usual, by the way!

Correction edit: Sorry, meant 'karih'.

VVV · 20th November 2006, 01:08 PM

Thanks Charles,

Are you sure that it's Kirah and not Karih?
What's the reference for this name?

Michael

Alam Shah · 20th November 2006, 01:58 PM

An example of a Karih from Sumatra. Note: shorter curled hilt.

A close-up of the blade.

A close-up of the hilt and upper-sheath, made of buffalo horn.

Rick · 20th November 2006, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

An example of a Karih from Sumatra. Note: shorter curled hilt.

A close-up of the blade.

Now this piece looks similar to the example showed in post #2.
What d'you think Alam Shah ?

Alam Shah · 20th November 2006, 02:33 PM

Rick,
Your blade does have its similarities, especially the profile of the blade.
Blade-design suggests that it might be a Karih, after all.

VVV · 20th November 2006, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

An example of a Karih from Sumatra. Note: shorter curled hilt.

Shahrial,

Isn't that my Karih in your post?
Or do you have its twin?

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php

Michael

Alam Shah · 20th November 2006, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Shahrial,
Isn't that my Karih in your post? Or do you have its twin?

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php

Michael

Yes! it is, after a closer look.

(Sorry I didn't know it was yours). Pictures are linked from Persada Pusaka auction gallery in KampungNet.
So you're the lucky owner of this fine Karih. Congratulation!

I didn't pay attention on your Karih during the auction, was concentrating on acquiring Lot 111.

12th November 2006, 08:29 PM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Drdavid, I think it's hard to say what your blade is? It has the lenght of a small Golok but I would hesitate to call it that because of the blade's shape? Goloks, as I understand it, are made primarily for cutting and yours looks like it's made primarily for thrusting. Another example is this blade. It's 54 cm overall with a blade of 40 cm that could be used both for cutting and thrusting. Feels primarily like a slashing blade. I haven't found out yet what it is? Maybe a Golok Rembau (see Hill and van Z)? Michael Attached Images Last edited by VVV; 12th November 2006 at 08:43 PM.

20th November 2006, 12:37 PM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Let me throw another term into the mix...'kirah'....I am not exactly sure how this differs from a sewar. Any input Michael? Lovely pieces, as usual, by the way! Correction edit: Sorry, meant 'karih'. Last edited by CharlesS; 21st November 2006 at 12:33 PM.

20th November 2006, 01:58 PM	#5
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	An example of a Karih from Sumatra. Note: shorter curled hilt. A close-up of the blade. A close-up of the hilt and upper-sheath, made of buffalo horn. Last edited by Alam Shah; 20th November 2006 at 02:09 PM.

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20th November 2006, 09:36 AM	#2
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 374	Hi Michael you are correct mine does not have the feel or look of a slashing weapon, but as a stabbing one it would be effective. Van Zonneveld's description of a Golok Rembau sounds pretty good, a bit bigger than a Tumbok Lada but similar shape. Thanks for your help. cheers David

20th November 2006, 01:08 PM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks Charles, Are you sure that it's Kirah and not Karih? What's the reference for this name? Michael

20th November 2006, 02:33 PM	#7
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Rick, Your blade does have its similarities, especially the profile of the blade. Blade-design suggests that it might be a Karih, after all.