what kind of lance is this?

Tim Simmons · 4th September 2006, 07:49 PM

Hi Fernando,

The haft is tapering heavy wood, it looks very much in the same form as the one you show. Mine has a small horn pommel on the end. I have seen some where the end is just rounded off. I do not see any problem with the one you show. My views come with a caution in that I do not really know much about these things.

fernando · 4th September 2006, 08:12 PM

Hi Tim
Because the pictures i have shown are not clear, you can't see the haft in this one is rattan cane.
fernando

Tim Simmons · 4th September 2006, 08:16 PM

Well meybe it is not as posh but still a very nice spear/lance.

fernando · 6th January 2007, 08:11 PM

I ended up buying this piece.
Did a bit clean up on the blade. Actual length 10" ( 25 cms. ).Width 3/4" ( 2cms. )
Quite sharp edges ( even cut myself ). Very well designed, quite strong, with a perfect tip.
The collar mountig is actually very crude, doesn't fit into the haft with the propper harmony. I wonder if it is the genuine set.
The rattan haft is a bit bent, with three rather deep pronounced sections, with an abruptly cut off end.
Now that pictures are more clear and the blade is clean, i wonder if the opinnion given on its origin ( Borneo or Sumatra ) would
remain the same, or if something different is revealed.
Please gentlemen, your coments will be wellcome.
Thanks in advance
fernando

Rick · 6th January 2007, 08:27 PM

From the looks of the butt , this piece IMO has been cut; I was expecting to see a cap or finial for the end.
Is there any wear on the end?

As far as the rest of it goes; it looks to be what it is .

I wouldn't want to try to pin down exactly where in the Archipelago this originated.
Good job on the blade.

fernando · 6th January 2007, 08:53 PM

Thank you Rick.
Yes, you are quite right ... and i was blind. It has all signs of having been sawed off, and not so long ago.
By the way, could this be an old piece ?

Henk · 6th January 2007, 09:20 PM

IMHO I think the length of the haft is good, so I doubt it is shortened. I have two similar lances of the same length if I can judge it correctly.
I think you bought a nice lance from Sumatra.

Tim Simmons · 6th January 2007, 09:21 PM

looks like it is at least from the turn of the 19th/20th century. I like the way the halft has thicker piece glued on. I wonder why the end was cut. So you got at a good price in the end?

Rick · 6th January 2007, 09:23 PM

Judging from the 'before' pictures I think it is not new.

4th September 2006, 08:16 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,854	Well meybe it is not as posh but still a very nice spear/lance. Last edited by Tim Simmons; 4th September 2006 at 08:31 PM. Reason: spelling!!

6th January 2007, 08:11 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Clear pictures I ended up buying this piece. Did a bit clean up on the blade. Actual length 10" ( 25 cms. ).Width 3/4" ( 2cms. ) Quite sharp edges ( even cut myself ). Very well designed, quite strong, with a perfect tip. The collar mountig is actually very crude, doesn't fit into the haft with the propper harmony. I wonder if it is the genuine set. The rattan haft is a bit bent, with three rather deep pronounced sections, with an abruptly cut off end. Now that pictures are more clear and the blade is clean, i wonder if the opinnion given on its origin ( Borneo or Sumatra ) would remain the same, or if something different is revealed. Please gentlemen, your coments will be wellcome. Thanks in advance fernando Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 6th January 2007 at 08:39 PM.

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4th September 2006, 07:49 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,854	Hi Fernando, The haft is tapering heavy wood, it looks very much in the same form as the one you show. Mine has a small horn pommel on the end. I have seen some where the end is just rounded off. I do not see any problem with the one you show. My views come with a caution in that I do not really know much about these things.

4th September 2006, 08:12 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Tim Because the pictures i have shown are not clear, you can't see the haft in this one is rattan cane. fernando

6th January 2007, 08:27 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	From the looks of the butt , this piece IMO has been cut; I was expecting to see a cap or finial for the end. Is there any wear on the end? As far as the rest of it goes; it looks to be what it is . I wouldn't want to try to pin down exactly where in the Archipelago this originated. Good job on the blade.

6th January 2007, 08:53 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Rick. Yes, you are quite right ... and i was blind. It has all signs of having been sawed off, and not so long ago. By the way, could this be an old piece ?

6th January 2007, 09:20 PM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	IMHO I think the length of the haft is good, so I doubt it is shortened. I have two similar lances of the same length if I can judge it correctly. I think you bought a nice lance from Sumatra.

6th January 2007, 09:21 PM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,854	looks like it is at least from the turn of the 19th/20th century. I like the way the halft has thicker piece glued on. I wonder why the end was cut. So you got at a good price in the end?

6th January 2007, 09:23 PM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Judging from the 'before' pictures I think it is not new.