Bringing Keris to Indonesia from Overseas

Jayaningkurnia · 20th April 2026, 09:53 AM

Alan you are too modest - the designation is my clumsy attempt at respectful address to a senior and (one who I consider to be) a teacher in this pursuit of knowledge in tosan aji.

Travelling is indeed often tiring and bothersome, but unfortunately some things are still better experienced in person, so we travel on.

On a separate topic, I recently come across a keris claimed to be made by Pangeran Mloyokusumo of Surakarta (son of PB IX, brother of PB X). Anyone has any information on him and/or the krises he made?

A. G. Maisey · 20th April 2026, 10:22 PM

I recognise & thank you for your courtesy, Jaya, I also recognise that the use of "Mr." is ingrained into Indonesian social exchanges, however, whilst the use of this little word might make an Indonesian user feel more comfortable, for somebody from a place like the Land of Oz (Australia, yes, there are similarities to Alice's travels) the comfort element is reversed.

For example, in a social setting, I would most definitely not address our Prime Minister as "Prime Minister", not even as Mr. Albanese, but rather as "Albo" or perhaps if I was feeling a little bit negative about him, as "Anthony". If was feeling extremely negative about him, then I would drop the "Prime Minister" & use "Mr. Albanese".

Yes, we're barbarians. Sorry.

About Pangeran Mloyokusumo. I've heard the name, but rarely. I think he was noted for work of very high quality & refined detail & the use of meteoritic iron & premium quality steel. Tangguh would have been classic Surakarta & very probably his work would have had high spiritual value attributed to it.

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20th April 2026, 09:53 AM	#1
Jayaningkurnia Member Join Date: Nov 2025 Location: Singapore Posts: 24	Alan you are too modest - the designation is my clumsy attempt at respectful address to a senior and (one who I consider to be) a teacher in this pursuit of knowledge in tosan aji. Travelling is indeed often tiring and bothersome, but unfortunately some things are still better experienced in person, so we travel on. On a separate topic, I recently come across a keris claimed to be made by Pangeran Mloyokusumo of Surakarta (son of PB IX, brother of PB X). Anyone has any information on him and/or the krises he made?

20th April 2026, 10:22 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,251	I recognise & thank you for your courtesy, Jaya, I also recognise that the use of "Mr." is ingrained into Indonesian social exchanges, however, whilst the use of this little word might make an Indonesian user feel more comfortable, for somebody from a place like the Land of Oz (Australia, yes, there are similarities to Alice's travels) the comfort element is reversed. For example, in a social setting, I would most definitely not address our Prime Minister as "Prime Minister", not even as Mr. Albanese, but rather as "Albo" or perhaps if I was feeling a little bit negative about him, as "Anthony". If was feeling extremely negative about him, then I would drop the "Prime Minister" & use "Mr. Albanese". Yes, we're barbarians. Sorry. About Pangeran Mloyokusumo. I've heard the name, but rarely. I think he was noted for work of very high quality & refined detail & the use of meteoritic iron & premium quality steel. Tangguh would have been classic Surakarta & very probably his work would have had high spiritual value attributed to it.