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Pendita65 · 8th February 2025, 08:49 PM

Hi Detlef and David,

See the pictures of the front and I do belief it’s a Kocet Kocetan

Regards, Martin

Sajen · 9th February 2025, 04:52 AM

We shouldn't try to classify the handle in question to a specific name i. E. k. kocetan, like David already stated is my personal guess to have a East Javanese handle here which resembles a k. kocetan handle or an insect like figure or their grub carved in ivory and shows a nice patination and also appeals to the eyes, at least to my ones!

Only the carver will know which figure it should represent.

Regards,
Detlef

Rick · 9th February 2025, 05:52 AM

Of course, Detlef.
There's nothing wrong with members expressing their thoughts though. I don't think any one of us has said that this anything definite, just observations, no harm in that.

Pendita65 · 9th February 2025, 11:42 AM

Yes,

it's a ukiran with insect features nicely carved in ivory the face adorned with curly antennae. And maybe someone in the future can tell, we have seen a similar one in Indonesia.

Regards, Martin

David · 9th February 2025, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pendita65

Yes,

it's a ukiran with insect features nicely carved in ivory the face adorned with curly antennae. And maybe someone in the future can tell, we have seen a similar one in Indonesia.

Regards, Martin

I think that feature you are calling antennae look more like probiscus in that postion, but who knows. AFAIK the Balinese kocet-kocetan is the only example of a keris hilt that depicts the insect kingdom. Perhaps someone else knows of another example. We could do a lot of speculating here. Certainly there are Balinese communities in Madura and maybe this could have been made by an ethnic Balinese living in East Jawa an this was their interpretation of a kocetan hilt. Though it is missing certain features such as the multiple legs that we usually see on kocetan. But it is impossible to get inside the head of an unknown carver.
Regardless i believe it is an excellent and unique find.

Pendita65 · 12th February 2025, 06:44 PM

Thank you David, and all the others that tried to shine a light on it, and yes i am happy with this little piece of qualtity carving art.

I will have it displayed soon i get my new house atelier

To be followed and regards,

Martin

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9th February 2025, 04:52 AM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,207	We shouldn't try to classify the handle in question to a specific name i. E. k. kocetan, like David already stated is my personal guess to have a East Javanese handle here which resembles a k. kocetan handle or an insect like figure or their grub carved in ivory and shows a nice patination and also appeals to the eyes, at least to my ones! Only the carver will know which figure it should represent. Regards, Detlef

9th February 2025, 05:52 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Of course, Detlef. There's nothing wrong with members expressing their thoughts though. I don't think any one of us has said that this anything definite, just observations, no harm in that.

9th February 2025, 11:42 AM	#4
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 127	Yes, it's a ukiran with insect features nicely carved in ivory the face adorned with curly antennae. And maybe someone in the future can tell, we have seen a similar one in Indonesia. Regards, Martin

12th February 2025, 06:44 PM	#6
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 127	Thank you David, and all the others that tried to shine a light on it, and yes i am happy with this little piece of qualtity carving art. I will have it displayed soon i get my new house atelier To be followed and regards, Martin