Coyness in posting keris pics

A. G. Maisey · 4th January 2023, 06:33 PM

You seem to be in a different, but somewhat similar position to my own David.

Sometimes I would very much like to show a photo of something in order to provide clarification, but I do not do this simply because I know it is something that would be frowned upon by a number of people and for those people it would mark me as a pretender.

But I do show keris from my personal collection when I have decided to move that keris to a new owner. When this happens I move the keris to items identified for sale, rather than items identified for collection.

There is another reason that some people do not like showing collection items in a place where strangers can see those things, and this applies not only to collectors of keris.

It is the same reason that they do not show items of jewellery or other valuables, the same reason why they maintain a security room, the same reason why they instal a safe, the same reason why they make sure that their home address is removed from public records.

David · 4th January 2023, 08:01 PM

One other reason some folks avoid posting their keris, especially multiple detailed images, is to keep unscrupulous characters from stealing those photos and attempting to sell keris they do not possess to unwary collectors. This is a common scam.

A. G. Maisey · 4th January 2023, 08:14 PM

Yeah, I've heard of this David, but I've never encountered it, I have an almost invisible presence on social media --- more now than I have previously held --- & I do not buy on the internet.

But I do not for a moment doubt that it does happen, if there is a way to scam in any field, the scamsters will find it.

We can put as many controls as we like into a system, and eventually a control will pick up a scam, but it is is often the detective control, rather than the preventive control that picks up the scam.

The bad guys are nearly always one step ahead.

Ever heard of Bernie Madoff?

David · 4th January 2023, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Ever heard of Bernie Madoff?

Of course, Bernie's story didn't turnout too well for him in the end.

A. G. Maisey · 4th January 2023, 10:49 PM

As I said David:- detective control

It all happens, somebody suffers loss, then we catch the baddies.

That's what audit & compliance is about, and as I understand it, in Bernies case the preventive controls screwed up badly:- human failure.

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4th January 2023, 06:33 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,191	You seem to be in a different, but somewhat similar position to my own David. Sometimes I would very much like to show a photo of something in order to provide clarification, but I do not do this simply because I know it is something that would be frowned upon by a number of people and for those people it would mark me as a pretender. But I do show keris from my personal collection when I have decided to move that keris to a new owner. When this happens I move the keris to items identified for sale, rather than items identified for collection. There is another reason that some people do not like showing collection items in a place where strangers can see those things, and this applies not only to collectors of keris. It is the same reason that they do not show items of jewellery or other valuables, the same reason why they maintain a security room, the same reason why they instal a safe, the same reason why they make sure that their home address is removed from public records.

4th January 2023, 08:01 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,282	One other reason some folks avoid posting their keris, especially multiple detailed images, is to keep unscrupulous characters from stealing those photos and attempting to sell keris they do not possess to unwary collectors. This is a common scam.

4th January 2023, 08:14 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,191	Yeah, I've heard of this David, but I've never encountered it, I have an almost invisible presence on social media --- more now than I have previously held --- & I do not buy on the internet. But I do not for a moment doubt that it does happen, if there is a way to scam in any field, the scamsters will find it. We can put as many controls as we like into a system, and eventually a control will pick up a scam, but it is is often the detective control, rather than the preventive control that picks up the scam. The bad guys are nearly always one step ahead. Ever heard of Bernie Madoff?

4th January 2023, 10:49 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,191	As I said David:- detective control It all happens, somebody suffers loss, then we catch the baddies. That's what audit & compliance is about, and as I understand it, in Bernies case the preventive controls screwed up badly:- human failure.