WW1-WW2 kindjal ? Stamp/Signature on the blade

Edster · 23rd October 2021, 09:40 PM

This is a tough one for me. The black panel is likely a replacement. The first part of the blade mark is the Arabic letter Jiim. The second one doesn't match anything I've seen. The folded leather piece that attaches the other leather to the metal piece of the scabbard is remindful of how the Russians attached their rifle slings. I read on the Forum they learned it from someone else, but can't recall. Likely from the Muslim part of the Caucasus. Hopefully, someone else will chime in who has some real knowledge.

Edit (Thanks Robin for your ID. I'll support Dagestan at where it was made. You posted while I was writing.)

Regards,
Ed

Oliver Pinchot · 24th October 2021, 04:53 AM

It's the maker's name. It reads, HAJI.

It's likely Tiflis (Tbilisi) work. Gonzoadler's dating of 1890-1920 is reasonable. However, 1920s-1930s is probably closer.
The grips are potentially antler, bone, or ivory with horn on the reverse. antler and horn. The leather is original and the
suspension tab is rather rare. All in all a nice example that survives in very good shape.

francantolin · 24th October 2021, 04:52 PM

Hello,

Thank you all for your precisions/ precious informations and comments,
I was not that wrong with my estimation between WW1 and WW2

Thank's a lot for the translation !!

I'll post close pictures of the ''ivory'' ''Bone'' hilt maybe it can help to fix it.

For the final tip I'll find a small ivory or bone ball to set,
I saw some kindjal with such a piece...

Kind regards

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23rd October 2021, 09:40 PM	#1
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 452	This is a tough one for me. The black panel is likely a replacement. The first part of the blade mark is the Arabic letter Jiim. The second one doesn't match anything I've seen. The folded leather piece that attaches the other leather to the metal piece of the scabbard is remindful of how the Russians attached their rifle slings. I read on the Forum they learned it from someone else, but can't recall. Likely from the Muslim part of the Caucasus. Hopefully, someone else will chime in who has some real knowledge. Edit (Thanks Robin for your ID. I'll support Dagestan at where it was made. You posted while I was writing.) Regards, Ed

24th October 2021, 04:53 AM	#2
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 476	It's the maker's name. It reads, HAJI. It's likely Tiflis (Tbilisi) work. Gonzoadler's dating of 1890-1920 is reasonable. However, 1920s-1930s is probably closer. The grips are potentially antler, bone, or ivory with horn on the reverse. antler and horn. The leather is original and the suspension tab is rather rare. All in all a nice example that survives in very good shape.

24th October 2021, 04:52 PM	#3
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 969	Hello, Thank you all for your precisions/ precious informations and comments, I was not that wrong with my estimation between WW1 and WW2 Thank's a lot for the translation !! I'll post close pictures of the ''ivory'' ''Bone'' hilt maybe it can help to fix it. For the final tip I'll find a small ivory or bone ball to set, I saw some kindjal with such a piece... Kind regards