17th century European sword - Looking for assistance with blade marks

[cornelistromp]

These walloon swords were produced under contract from amsterdam arms dealers in solingen. In solingen an amsterdam mark was already smashed into the blade, this is the vague mark; a shield with three crosses under a royal crown. (instead of the imperial crown).
Sometimes the initials of the solingen smith were also struck into the blade. thus it is known that these swords were produced in solingen.

After the weapons arrived in Amsterdam they were inspected and after aproval an Amsterdam proof mark is stamped over the old mark. (This is the clear mark with the three crosses.)

see attachment of the marks from a walloon sword from the visser collection: HV-693 p150 visser cat part3, JP puype.

[Jim McDougall]

As they say in Texas, 'well! there ya have it!'!!!
Thank you SO much Jasper!!!
I guess now we can stop chasin' them zebras!


Which book is this from?

[cornelistromp]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

As they say in Texas, 'well! there ya have it!'!!!
Thank you SO much Jasper!!!
I guess now we can stop chasin' them zebras!


Which book is this from?

Hi Jim, it's mentioned in the post, from the visser collection catalogue: HV-693 page 150 visser cat part-3, author JP puype.
Visser had 8-9 ( I don't recall) walloon swords, they are all described in the above Cat.

btw if you see the marks and the inscription x SAHAGVM x of the visser sword hv-693 , are they likely to come from the same workshop or delivery.


best, Jasper

[RSWORD]

Thanks everyone for the information. All very helpful.

[Ariska]

Apologies for my late reply; I was looking for the armourer with the crowned ‘P’ as a mark and came across Domingo Oroczo, the Toledo.
Often combined with the text ‘SAHAGOM’ and a faint image of a running wolf from Passau Solingen.

Apart from the Walloon type, I have seen many other blades with this mark.
It is remarkably uniform!

[werecow]

Originally Posted by Ariska

Apologies for my late reply; I was looking for the armourer with the crowned ‘P’ as a mark and came across Domingo Oroczo, the Toledo.
Often combined with the text ‘SAHAGOM’ and a faint image of a running wolf from Passau Solingen.

Apart from the Walloon type, I have seen many other blades with this mark.
It is remarkably uniform!

This one went recently at a Dutch auction, IIRC. My guess is this is a rehilted Amsterdam type Walloon with a more recent 18th c guard.

[urbanspaceman]

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