Restored Balkan Yataghan That Needs Translation

gp · 31st December 2020, 08:43 PM

here some pics of antique filigree from Bosnia; a bichaq and a belt

gp · 31st December 2020, 08:45 PM

and some pics that the art is still alive and being made to the present day, first some jewelry from Sarajevo

gp · 31st December 2020, 08:48 PM

and secondly from Southern Dalmatia ( Konavje and Dubrovnik) where these earrings are still made and given to the girls ( as I did for my daughter years ago when she became 16...)

Battara · 31st December 2020, 11:51 PM

Very nice! Thank you!

Sajen · 16th January 2021, 12:42 PM

Amazing work Jose! And a very nice yataghan, congrats!

Regards,
Detlef

Battara · 22nd February 2021, 01:58 AM

Since this thread i've tried and tried to compare the tughra with the Ottoman Sultan tughras and am stumped. A couple of possibilities but nothing firm.

Is there anyone who can translate the bottom half (or take an educated guess) of the tughra? This is supposed to be where the name of the sultan should be. The sultan's name would help narrow down the age of this yataghan.

By the way, the place of manufacture would be Focha, Bosnia (according to Elgood).

mross · 22nd February 2021, 03:51 PM

Jose,
Looking at your work it is absolutely amazing. What you are doing I think firmly puts you on the path that Buster Warenski took for his King Tut dagger.
Michael

kwiatek · 1st March 2021, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Since this thread i've tried and tried to compare the tughra with the Ottoman Sultan tughras and am stumped. A couple of possibilities but nothing firm.

Is there anyone who can translate the bottom half (or take an educated guess) of the tughra? This is supposed to be where the name of the sultan should be. The sultan's name would help narrow down the age of this yataghan.

I think I answered this before but perhaps it wasn’t clear. This isn’t a royal tughra, it’s an owner’s inscription in tughra form, which is quite common

صاحب حسین

“The owner, Husayn”

There is an extra letter ح in there, it might possibly also be

صاحب حسن [ابن] حسین

“The owner, Hasan [son of] Husayn”

On reflection, another possibility for the extra word might be

صاحب حاجی حسین

“The owner Haci Husayn”

It’s not clear however and the extra letter may just be a feature of the design so I would leave it as “The owner, Husayn”

ariel · 1st March 2021, 10:19 AM

As per Elgood, smooth round corals is a trademark of Foca.
Excellent job, Jose!

31st December 2020, 08:43 PM	#1
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 1,004	here some pics of antique filigree from Bosnia; a bichaq and a belt Attached Images

31st December 2020, 08:45 PM	#2
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 1,004	and some pics that the art is still alive and being made to the present day, first some jewelry from Sarajevo Attached Images

31st December 2020, 08:48 PM	#3
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 1,004	and secondly from Southern Dalmatia ( Konavje and Dubrovnik) where these earrings are still made and given to the girls ( as I did for my daughter years ago when she became 16...) Attached Images Last edited by gp; 31st December 2020 at 09:31 PM.

22nd February 2021, 01:58 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,397	Since this thread i've tried and tried to compare the tughra with the Ottoman Sultan tughras and am stumped. A couple of possibilities but nothing firm. Is there anyone who can translate the bottom half (or take an educated guess) of the tughra? This is supposed to be where the name of the sultan should be. The sultan's name would help narrow down the age of this yataghan. By the way, the place of manufacture would be Focha, Bosnia (according to Elgood). Attached Images

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31st December 2020, 11:51 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,397	Very nice! Thank you!

16th January 2021, 12:42 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,735	Amazing work Jose! And a very nice yataghan, congrats! Regards, Detlef

22nd February 2021, 03:51 PM	#7
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Jose, Looking at your work it is absolutely amazing. What you are doing I think firmly puts you on the path that Buster Warenski took for his King Tut dagger. Michael

1st March 2021, 10:19 AM	#9
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	As per Elgood, smooth round corals is a trademark of Foca. Excellent job, Jose!