KRIS AND KALIS

Battara · 31st July 2020, 03:23 AM

I agree that that newer kris is more recent and perhaps Sulu. The Maguindanao kris seems to be the oldest of the lot.

The "Maranao" kris might also be actually Maguindanao as well (based on the front of the ganga, hilt form, and scabbard). The white metal does look like silver, but close ups would help and you might want to get it tested to see if it's nickel-copper alloy or silver.

I would also agree with your caution on online auctions. Harder to discern quality or details if not in hand. Glad you were able to get these for good pricing as well as being able to inspect these up close. Congratulations!

kino · 1st August 2020, 03:50 PM

Nice find, 3 swords with scabbards to boot. I agree with your age assessments.

It's good that you're bringing them back to working order. By your description, they're wicked sharp.
By resetting, did you remove and replace the hilts? Did you use tree pitch to set the tang?
Thanks for sharing.

xasterix · 2nd August 2020, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kino

Nice find, 3 swords with scabbards to boot. I agree with your age assessments.

It's good that you're bringing them back to working order. By your description, they're wicked sharp.
By resetting, did you remove and replace the hilts? Did you use tree pitch to set the tang?
Thanks for sharing.

Halloo Sir Kino!

I removed the hilts from the Maguindanao and Maranao ones. I obtained the original hilt as-is for the Maguindanao (it was quite sturdy), but I had to replace the rope wrap of the Maranao's (it was falling apart). I opted to have a common rattan wrap done by a local artisan to replace the textile wrap. Although in the future, if I were to do this again- ideally I should have learned how to weave the rope wrap myself =)

I used slow-setting epoxy. While tree sap would be ideal to be faithful to the piece's original state, I plan to cut with these blades a lot; epoxy would give me additional confidence and peace of mind to use the blades regularly.

Mickey the Finn · 9th August 2020, 03:52 PM

~polished monocle starts from right eye~
Epoxy? My dear man, I do hope that this is some kind of attempt at a joke...

kino · 9th August 2020, 05:07 PM

If you’ve seen the rigors that Xasterix puts his swords thru during test cuttings you’d see why he uses epoxy in place of pitch 🙂

Battara · 9th August 2020, 06:55 PM

Epoxy, even the quick setting epoxy, works well for these. Like pitch, you can take the hilts off if you heat the blade (though it takes a little longer).

I use both pitch and epoxy for Moro pieces for years. No problems here.

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31st July 2020, 03:23 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,379	I agree that that newer kris is more recent and perhaps Sulu. The Maguindanao kris seems to be the oldest of the lot. The "Maranao" kris might also be actually Maguindanao as well (based on the front of the ganga, hilt form, and scabbard). The white metal does look like silver, but close ups would help and you might want to get it tested to see if it's nickel-copper alloy or silver. I would also agree with your caution on online auctions. Harder to discern quality or details if not in hand. Glad you were able to get these for good pricing as well as being able to inspect these up close. Congratulations!

1st August 2020, 03:50 PM	#2
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,030	Nice find, 3 swords with scabbards to boot. I agree with your age assessments. It's good that you're bringing them back to working order. By your description, they're wicked sharp. By resetting, did you remove and replace the hilts? Did you use tree pitch to set the tang? Thanks for sharing.

9th August 2020, 03:52 PM	#4
Mickey the Finn Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 90	~polished monocle starts from right eye~ Epoxy? My dear man, I do hope that this is some kind of attempt at a joke...

9th August 2020, 05:07 PM	#5
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,030	If you’ve seen the rigors that Xasterix puts his swords thru during test cuttings you’d see why he uses epoxy in place of pitch 🙂

9th August 2020, 06:55 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,379	Epoxy, even the quick setting epoxy, works well for these. Like pitch, you can take the hilts off if you heat the blade (though it takes a little longer). I use both pitch and epoxy for Moro pieces for years. No problems here.