Some Sword in Thailand

Bancha Thongkomol · 13th May 2006, 11:58 PM

Hi Titus Pullo ........ My phone is 098107559

Sword 4 That about 500 year or more of Sukothai Prov.

D Wilke · 14th May 2006, 11:30 AM

Bancha, Yin dee don rap. Love the swords and even more than that the way you classified them by period. Would love to talk to you reference this. Will be in Thailand 3-23 July would like to meet and discuss swords. Can I call when I get into town?

Pope gern mai

Khun Dang

Bancha Thongkomol · 14th May 2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by D Wilke

Bancha, Yin dee don rap. Love the swords and even more than that the way you classified them by period. Would love to talk to you reference this. Will be in Thailand 3-23 July would like to meet and discuss swords. Can I call when I get into town?

Pope gern mai

Khun Dang

The way to classified them by period

1. Matching the Royal's Sword If some part same
2. Histry Art of Thai in Ayutthaya and Rattanakosin(BKK) Period
3. Origin of Sword some from Chopaya river in Ayutthaya Prov
4. The Technical >>> How that Sword Made One in Ayutthaya Period The the middle Part of the is fat (like me

) This Design protect the blade Out of the Handle

Yas Khun Dang can call to me

Sword 5 and 7 from Chopaya river in Ayutthaya Prov
No 7 ฟืก 8 We Call Hoa Pla Lod Blade (http://www.fishbase.org/comnames/Com...autoctr=129146)

Bancha Thongkomol · 14th May 2006, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D Wilke

Bancha, Yin dee don rap. Love the swords and even more than that the way you classified them by period. Would love to talk to you reference this. Will be in Thailand 3-23 July would like to meet and discuss swords. Can I call when I get into town?

Pope gern mai

Khun Dang

The way to classified them by period

1. Matching the Royal's Sword If some part same
2. Histry Art of Thai in Ayutthaya and Rattanakosin(BKK) Period
3. Origin of Sword some from Chopaya river in Ayutthaya Prov
4. The Technical >>> How that Sword Made One in Ayutthaya Period The the middle Part of the is fat (like me

) This Design protect the blade Out of the Handle

Yas Khun Dang can call to me

Sword 5 and 7 from Chopaya river in Ayutthaya Prov
No 7 and 8 We Call Hoa Pla Lod Blade (http://www.fishbase.org/comnames/Com...autoctr=129146)

Titus Pullo · 14th May 2006, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bancha Thongkomol

Hi Titus Pullo ........ My phone is 098107559

Sword 4 That about 500 year or more of Sukothai Prov.

thank you for the phone number! I might call you sometime.

Mark · 14th May 2006, 06:44 PM

Wonderful information! Can you elaborate a little on the technical aspects of dating daab? Is it mostly style (shape), or are there manufaturing methods or materials that can help date?

PS: Hi Dan!

jamesj975 · 15th May 2006, 05:35 AM

bancha as Mark says, how we figure out what period or place they are from is sawnchai maak. i noticed that the National museum used this period classification also, but there was nothing that explained it.

P.S. Hi back at you Mark, survived another 6 months and am heading home next week.

Khun Dang

D Wilke · 15th May 2006, 05:43 AM

Sorry was using my buddy's log-in on that last post.

Dan

Bancha Thongkomol · 15th May 2006, 12:12 PM

PUFF · 15th May 2006, 03:24 PM

I just talked with Khun Bancha yesterday...

For the questions, regarding to Dahbs ID, You will need to generalrize typical characteristics for Dahbs from different age and locale. So you will need to examine "population" of Dahbs.

Sometime, you will also need to associate "art" on the sword with other native stuff (pottery, temple etc.)

For Dahbs ID, Khun Bancha seems to use tang tyle/geometry, tang tilt, spine curve, edge curve, point style, tapering style, ratio between different regions, blade material etc.

In many case, he also ID from hilt and scabbard. Only problems s' that some blades are come with new hilt or scabbard (or both).

The story 's even more complicate. When some Dahbs were made to order and shipped to another city for sale. Smiths had produced the Dahbs in end-user style with a hint of the smiths characteristic. Another problem 's smiths themself migrated from one city to another (as prisoner of war).

To overcome these problems, you will need to study them for decads (which I think you were

) and travel to many places in SEA (seems to be a some problem for you).

I, myself, lack of decades experience. So I will need to learn from Khun Bancha and his [Dahb expert] friends. I invited him to this lovely forum and I hope that you may pick up some idea from his collection

For Khun Bancha, is it better to show only one Dahb at a time with an extensive description about how did you get an idea for its age and locale.

RSWORD · 15th May 2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bancha Thongkomol

As you can imagine, this picture with the lovely swords will generate many questions. Mine is in regards to the sword pictured on the bottom. I have a similar example, albeit, much shorter but with similar handle with the same brass nail work in the handle, same handle profile and blade has marking. I will post a picture of my example tonight for comparison purpose.

14th May 2006, 11:30 AM	#2
D Wilke Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Okinawa, JN Posts: 22	Sawasdee Bancha, Yin dee don rap. Love the swords and even more than that the way you classified them by period. Would love to talk to you reference this. Will be in Thailand 3-23 July would like to meet and discuss swords. Can I call when I get into town? Pope gern mai Khun Dang

15th May 2006, 05:35 AM	#7
jamesj975 Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4	period Classifiction bancha as Mark says, how we figure out what period or place they are from is sawnchai maak. i noticed that the National museum used this period classification also, but there was nothing that explained it. P.S. Hi back at you Mark, survived another 6 months and am heading home next week. Khun Dang

15th May 2006, 05:43 AM	#8
D Wilke Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Okinawa, JN Posts: 22	OOps Sorry was using my buddy's log-in on that last post. Dan

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13th May 2006, 11:58 PM	#1
Bancha Thongkomol Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 16	Hi Titus Pullo ........ My phone is 098107559 Sword 4 That about 500 year or more of Sukothai Prov.

14th May 2006, 06:44 PM	#6
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Wonderful information! Can you elaborate a little on the technical aspects of dating daab? Is it mostly style (shape), or are there manufaturing methods or materials that can help date? PS: Hi Dan!

15th May 2006, 12:12 PM	#9
Bancha Thongkomol Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 16

15th May 2006, 03:24 PM	#10
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	I just talked with Khun Bancha yesterday... For the questions, regarding to Dahbs ID, You will need to generalrize typical characteristics for Dahbs from different age and locale. So you will need to examine "population" of Dahbs. Sometime, you will also need to associate "art" on the sword with other native stuff (pottery, temple etc.) For Dahbs ID, Khun Bancha seems to use tang tyle/geometry, tang tilt, spine curve, edge curve, point style, tapering style, ratio between different regions, blade material etc. In many case, he also ID from hilt and scabbard. Only problems s' that some blades are come with new hilt or scabbard (or both). The story 's even more complicate. When some Dahbs were made to order and shipped to another city for sale. Smiths had produced the Dahbs in end-user style with a hint of the smiths characteristic. Another problem 's smiths themself migrated from one city to another (as prisoner of war). To overcome these problems, you will need to study them for decads (which I think you were ) and travel to many places in SEA (seems to be a some problem for you). I, myself, lack of decades experience. So I will need to learn from Khun Bancha and his [Dahb expert] friends. I invited him to this lovely forum and I hope that you may pick up some idea from his collection For Khun Bancha, is it better to show only one Dahb at a time with an extensive description about how did you get an idea for its age and locale.