I know my Pappenheims...

shayde78 · 25th March 2020, 01:55 PM

I still don't see any markings on the unmounted blade. There may be some faint etchings under the oxidation, but I don't think so.

I've attached some side-by-side pics of the blade next to other items for comparison. The bottom is a small sword with rococo-style hilt that this forum estimated to be from around 1760, or so. The top is larger than a small sword that the forum estimated to be from early 1800s.

The tiles are each 12"x12", so the unmounted blade measures about 3 feet, 4 inches long. Another inch, or two might be presumed to have existed before the tip broke. That said, there is no unsharpened riccaso, so I suspect that limits the type of hilts that would have once been mounted. The tang meets the shoulder of the blade, and then it is sharpened almost directly past that juncture.

ulfberth · 25th March 2020, 04:12 PM

the blade is indeed to long for a small sword, it could very well be from a transitional rapier circa 1640 like the one in the picture from the Wallace Collection.
This type has no real ricasso like your's , I have a similar one in my collection its also a lot longer than a small sword. How wide is the blade at the widest point ? my blade is 2,2 cm wide and 104 long .

shayde78 · 26th March 2020, 02:56 AM

Great pictures. The one from your collection is a beauty!

The blade is 0.75inches (1.9 cm) wide at the shoulder with a steady taper down to the missing tip.

ulfberth · 26th March 2020, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by shayde78

Great pictures. The one from your collection is a beauty!

The blade is 0.75inches (1.9 cm) wide at the shoulder with a steady taper down to the missing tip.

so this is prossibly the blade of a transitional rapier

shayde78 · 29th March 2020, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ulfberth

so this is prossibly the blade of a transitional rapier

I guess now I need to be on the lookout for a transitional guard and pommel

Seriously, if someone knows where to find them, please private message me.

25th March 2020, 01:55 PM	#1
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 447	I still don't see any markings on the unmounted blade. There may be some faint etchings under the oxidation, but I don't think so. I've attached some side-by-side pics of the blade next to other items for comparison. The bottom is a small sword with rococo-style hilt that this forum estimated to be from around 1760, or so. The top is larger than a small sword that the forum estimated to be from early 1800s. The tiles are each 12"x12", so the unmounted blade measures about 3 feet, 4 inches long. Another inch, or two might be presumed to have existed before the tip broke. That said, there is no unsharpened riccaso, so I suspect that limits the type of hilts that would have once been mounted. The tang meets the shoulder of the blade, and then it is sharpened almost directly past that juncture. Attached Images

25th March 2020, 04:12 PM	#2
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 447	the blade is indeed to long for a small sword, it could very well be from a transitional rapier circa 1640 like the one in the picture from the Wallace Collection. This type has no real ricasso like your's , I have a similar one in my collection its also a lot longer than a small sword. How wide is the blade at the widest point ? my blade is 2,2 cm wide and 104 long . Attached Images Last edited by ulfberth; 25th March 2020 at 04:31 PM.

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26th March 2020, 02:56 AM	#3
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 447	Great pictures. The one from your collection is a beauty! The blade is 0.75inches (1.9 cm) wide at the shoulder with a steady taper down to the missing tip.