Seeking Information on Keris

kai · 11th February 2020, 03:42 AM

I’m with Marco: Nice scabbard!

The hilt most certainly is a non-traditional concoction. This should be easy to replace.

The blade deserves a thorough cleaning. It originally was a straight blade that got altered by stock removal to become somewhat undulated - if this was done by any Indonesian, he (or she) should be exiled!

Sorry for the bad news. If you hide the blade in the (cleaned) scabbard and get a suitable hilt+pendokok (search for Bugis on this forum and especially look for pieces with very similar scabbards), this still will make a nice display. Don’t worry, most of us have done worse with our first keris...

Regards,
Kai

elsquibble · 11th February 2020, 08:26 AM

Not so good then, what do you mean by stock removal Kai? I will give it a clean soon. It looks good hanging on my wall and I suppose that's what matters most

I agree the sheath look like Bugis after looking at some photos. Thanks for your help.

Marcokeris · 11th February 2020, 09:55 PM

I wouldn't clean it but only change the handle and, if necessary, the pendok

kai · 12th February 2020, 11:44 AM

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what do you mean by stock removal Kai?

Along the center of the blade runs a kind of straight plateau; this is bordered by broad sides sloping towards the edge (i.e. the blade being hexagonal). The sides have been heavily grinded to achieve an undulating look which wasn't originally intended (if so, the center would also be undulating).

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I agree the sheath look like Bugis after looking at some photos.

It's probably Riau to be more specific. However, a hilt for a keris Riau does not need to be from that very area - lots of Bugis-influenced hilt styles to be found throughout the greater Straits area.

Regards,
Kai

Jean · 12th February 2020, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

Along the center of the blade runs a kind of straight plateau; this is bordered by broad sides sloping towards the edge (i.e. the blade being hexagonal). The sides have been heavily grinded to achieve an undulating look which wasn't originally intended (if so, the center would also be undulating).

If you apply a ruler on the pic of the blade (on the back side especially), it appears difficult if not impossible that the blade was originally straight or even slightly curved (dapur sepokal), so personally I would think that it was originally wavy but heavily grinded on the sides indeed.
Regards

kai · 12th February 2020, 03:49 PM

Hello Jean,

The pics are taken at an angle; only the last 2 pics are more reasonable.

I still see a Bugis sepokal blade (the tip is quite dark and in this top half the grinding may also have affected the central panel...).

Regards,
Kai

David · 12th February 2020, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

If you apply a ruler on the pic of the blade (on the back side especially), it appears difficult if not impossible that the blade was originally straight or even slightly curved (dapur sepokal), so personally I would think that it was originally wavy but heavily grinded on the sides indeed.
Regards

Jean, i attempted to adjust one of the photos for a clearer view. To me it would appear that this blade was definitely reshaped into a wavy form in a rather awkward manner by grinding back the gusen at various intervals. The center plateau of this blade appears to remain straight to my eye.

Jean · 12th February 2020, 04:59 PM

Before agreeing or not, I would like to see a pic of the blade taken at a vertical angle (just above the blade) and without the hilt so that it lies flat on the floor.
Anyway, I don't share Marco's opinion about this blade

Regards

elsquibble · 13th February 2020, 09:06 AM

I will get another photo for you later Jean.I do believe that the center does look straight though but I'll have a look again when I get home.

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11th February 2020, 03:42 AM	#1
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	I’m with Marco: Nice scabbard! The hilt most certainly is a non-traditional concoction. This should be easy to replace. The blade deserves a thorough cleaning. It originally was a straight blade that got altered by stock removal to become somewhat undulated - if this was done by any Indonesian, he (or she) should be exiled! Sorry for the bad news. If you hide the blade in the (cleaned) scabbard and get a suitable hilt+pendokok (search for Bugis on this forum and especially look for pieces with very similar scabbards), this still will make a nice display. Don’t worry, most of us have done worse with our first keris... Regards, Kai

11th February 2020, 08:26 AM	#2
elsquibble Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 10	Not so good then, what do you mean by stock removal Kai? I will give it a clean soon. It looks good hanging on my wall and I suppose that's what matters most I agree the sheath look like Bugis after looking at some photos. Thanks for your help.

11th February 2020, 09:55 PM	#3
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	I wouldn't clean it but only change the handle and, if necessary, the pendok

12th February 2020, 03:49 PM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Jean, The pics are taken at an angle; only the last 2 pics are more reasonable. I still see a Bugis sepokal blade (the tip is quite dark and in this top half the grinding may also have affected the central panel...). Regards, Kai

12th February 2020, 04:59 PM	#8
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Before agreeing or not, I would like to see a pic of the blade taken at a vertical angle (just above the blade) and without the hilt so that it lies flat on the floor. Anyway, I don't share Marco's opinion about this blade Regards

13th February 2020, 09:06 AM	#9
elsquibble Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 10	I will get another photo for you later Jean.I do believe that the center does look straight though but I'll have a look again when I get home.