Bugis keris pamor pattern name

Jean · 30th January 2020, 02:03 PM

Thank you Alan, and I fully agree with you that the names of the kris features vary significantly according to the geographic origin or the people of reference, and my comments were just to demonstrate it.
I checked that Harsinuskmo also shows pamor Wiji Timun as a "row of cuncumber seeds" in the center of the blade (page 532 of the EK) and he may have been the source of reference for other authors like Tammens (vol.2 page 161).
As you correctly pointed out, the pamor pattern on Anthony's blade would be named as Wiji Timun in Java, but not applicable to a supposedly Buginese blade?
Regards

David · 30th January 2020, 07:10 PM

Interesting discussion on the naming of pamor.
My only contribution here is this photo of a cucumber cut lengthwise. Which of these pamor patterns looks most like the seed pattern as found in the the fruit of the cucumber?

A. G. Maisey · 30th January 2020, 08:04 PM

I don't know that we can say that it is the universal name in Jawa Jean, but it is certainly the name amongst the people whom I know in Solo --- down the road in Jogja it could well be different.

Yes, the Bugis people could well have an entirely different name again.

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David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,289	Interesting discussion on the naming of pamor. My only contribution here is this photo of a cucumber cut lengthwise. Which of these pamor patterns looks most like the seed pattern as found in the the fruit of the cucumber? Attached Images

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30th January 2020, 02:03 PM	#1
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Thank you Alan, and I fully agree with you that the names of the kris features vary significantly according to the geographic origin or the people of reference, and my comments were just to demonstrate it. I checked that Harsinuskmo also shows pamor Wiji Timun as a "row of cuncumber seeds" in the center of the blade (page 532 of the EK) and he may have been the source of reference for other authors like Tammens (vol.2 page 161). As you correctly pointed out, the pamor pattern on Anthony's blade would be named as Wiji Timun in Java, but not applicable to a supposedly Buginese blade? Regards

30th January 2020, 08:04 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,216	I don't know that we can say that it is the universal name in Jawa Jean, but it is certainly the name amongst the people whom I know in Solo --- down the road in Jogja it could well be different. Yes, the Bugis people could well have an entirely different name again.