Handgonne or not ?

fernando · 9th June 2019, 02:24 PM

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fernando · 9th June 2019, 02:37 PM

Via, i confess it is new to me that early gonnes might not have a touch hole.
Still this is a mysterious piece. Can you take a picture of it, but not inclined, you know, featuring its actual front look? and give us its measurements (height, width and bore) ?

Pukka Bundook · 9th June 2019, 02:52 PM

To me, it looks like a breech from an early breech-loader, but why no touchhole I cannot say, unless it is filled with rust and hidden....

Best regards,
Richard.

fernando · 9th June 2019, 03:19 PM

A rather reasonable guess, Richard.
But then, a couple things to figure out ...
- Lack of a handle; could it have fallen with time ?
- Its conical format; aren't loading chambers more cylindrical, only tapering in their very end to couple (seal) with the barrel ?
Judging by its outer condition, it sure looks rather early. The bore opening looks perfect, though.
Let us see if a straight front picture and its dimensions enlighten us a bit further.

Via Dixiane · 9th June 2019, 07:28 PM

Hi everyone and thanks a lot for your interest.

No socket
240 gr
50 mm length
33 mm diameter
15 mm caliber

Should mention that the spot is also a 1793 battle field

fernando · 10th June 2019, 12:41 PM

Amazing; i have seen quite a number of these things, also have a few in my little collection but, this one seems to be atypical, so to say. So small in size and with so small bore for a signal or celebration 'banger'.
Honestly, i wouldn't know what to make of it ... but hopefully other members will.
By the way Via, isn't that a touch hole ? It certainly looks like one

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9th June 2019, 07:28 PM	#5
Via Dixiane Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 7	Hi everyone and thanks a lot for your interest. No socket 240 gr 50 mm length 33 mm diameter 15 mm caliber Should mention that the spot is also a 1793 battle field Attached Images

10th June 2019, 12:41 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Amazing; i have seen quite a number of these things, also have a few in my little collection but, this one seems to be atypical, so to say. So small in size and with so small bore for a signal or celebration 'banger'. Honestly, i wouldn't know what to make of it ... but hopefully other members will. By the way Via, isn't that a touch hole ? It certainly looks like one . . Attached Images

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9th June 2019, 02:37 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Via, i confess it is new to me that early gonnes might not have a touch hole. Still this is a mysterious piece. Can you take a picture of it, but not inclined, you know, featuring its actual front look? and give us its measurements (height, width and bore) ?

9th June 2019, 02:52 PM	#3
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	To me, it looks like a breech from an early breech-loader, but why no touchhole I cannot say, unless it is filled with rust and hidden.... Best regards, Richard.

9th June 2019, 03:19 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	A rather reasonable guess, Richard. But then, a couple things to figure out ... - Lack of a handle; could it have fallen with time ? - Its conical format; aren't loading chambers more cylindrical, only tapering in their very end to couple (seal) with the barrel ? Judging by its outer condition, it sure looks rather early. The bore opening looks perfect, though. Let us see if a straight front picture and its dimensions enlighten us a bit further.