Ottoman " shamshirs"

[ariel]

Originally Posted by Kubur

I think it's a bit more complicated than black and white or A and B...
It's not Ottoman to Afghani but more probably a common ancestor:
Central Asia to caucasus and Modern days Turkey and on the other side Iran/ Afghanistan...
In simple words it's not A and B
but more A to B and C
Hopefuly some members will understand...

and yes of course these swords paved the way to the pala

Of course there was a common ancestor: Southern Siberia:-)
From there Khazars and Alans, Bulgars and Kumans in Central Europe, Mamluks in Egypt, Seljuks in Anatolia, Uzbeks in India etc, etc, etc.

Afghani examples of interrupted fullering with flat panels in between are seen on 19 cen. blades, whereas Mamluk/Ottoman examples of this decorative element are seen up to several centuries earlier. The “ in-between” ( I.e. Persian) examples also date to 18-19 century.


Afghanis never invaded Ottoman Empire, but Turkish mercenaries served all over, as far as India. Therefore, IMHO, the West-to-East influence is just more likely. If you have alternative proofs , please let us know.