Hierarchical ranks in the Surakarta keraton

Bjorn · 29th July 2018, 01:26 PM

It might be useful to post photos of sunggingan pieces with a proven provenance. That way everyone can observe the use of colours - and motifs - on actual keraton pieces.

Now the question, of course, is whether there are people who have such photos available.

Paul B. · 29th July 2018, 01:38 PM

Alan, what about the first (black base) Gayaman kris. That's a 'genuine' kraton kris as being identified for a Jajar. Would be most interested to know about that one as that is the one from my own collection. The others are not.

A. G. Maisey · 29th July 2018, 10:30 PM

What did you need to know Paul?

Paul B. · 30th July 2018, 04:19 AM

If post #4 is done according the pakem rules and if it is worn by a member of the Surakarta Keraton hierarchy.
The handle is a recent (decent) replacement.
Old blade (Adeg pamor) fits flush.

A. G. Maisey · 30th July 2018, 05:36 AM

No Paul, not necessarily.

Hilts can be natural, hilts can be painted, they can be one or the other.

As for the idea of "replacement" keris fittings get changed all the time, depending upon the circumstances.

For example, the hilt + selut on your black keris, if this keris was intended to be worn at at evening function, and the owner had a selut stel, he would very probably prefer to use it rather than a hilt which did not have a selut.

The stones in a selut catch the light at night and throw out flashes.

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29th July 2018, 01:26 PM	#1
Bjorn Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 188	It might be useful to post photos of sunggingan pieces with a proven provenance. That way everyone can observe the use of colours - and motifs - on actual keraton pieces. Now the question, of course, is whether there are people who have such photos available.

29th July 2018, 01:38 PM	#2
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	Alan, what about the first (black base) Gayaman kris. That's a 'genuine' kraton kris as being identified for a Jajar. Would be most interested to know about that one as that is the one from my own collection. The others are not.

29th July 2018, 10:30 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,193	What did you need to know Paul?

30th July 2018, 04:19 AM	#4
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	If post #4 is done according the pakem rules and if it is worn by a member of the Surakarta Keraton hierarchy. The handle is a recent (decent) replacement. Old blade (Adeg pamor) fits flush. Attached Images

30th July 2018, 05:36 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,193	No Paul, not necessarily. Hilts can be natural, hilts can be painted, they can be one or the other. As for the idea of "replacement" keris fittings get changed all the time, depending upon the circumstances. For example, the hilt + selut on your black keris, if this keris was intended to be worn at at evening function, and the owner had a selut stel, he would very probably prefer to use it rather than a hilt which did not have a selut. The stones in a selut catch the light at night and throw out flashes.