Sabre with unknown origins

AJ1356 · 3rd July 2018, 06:09 PM

It is 1439 Hijri Qamari (Lunar), but it is 1396 Hijri Shamshi (Solar) Afghanistan and Iran go by the Solar calendar, so

kronckew · 3rd July 2018, 06:25 PM

OK, I stand corrected. Too many different calendars.... I spent 10 yrs. in Saudi, so I was familiar with the Arabic version... this converter says 1933 tho, not 1934

AJ1356 · 3rd July 2018, 06:43 PM

close enough

Three first months of Gregorian calendar falls in one year and the remaining nine in the next. The new year starts with the first day of Spring, around March 20-22, think Zodiac Calendar.

kronckew · 6th July 2018, 08:58 AM

AH, the sword was bought with two others, a talwar and a khyber. Owner is asking for help translating what's on the top two. If you can help, it's appreciated. Thanks for any help. Are these in the same date range (1930's)?

Slightly better photo of the lot... Not arrived yet so he can't tell what's on the other side...

AJ1356 · 6th July 2018, 03:57 PM

Once he has received the items, have him take some nice detail pictures and then I'll translate them. I think the other two items are older.

kronckew · 7th July 2018, 08:43 AM

I've had more info on the dates and had info from some other acquaintances and found 3 more swords with very similar Afghani blades as the shamshir from a variety of vendors with dates in the 1314 range attributed to the late 19c. I noted that the solar calendar that puts them at the 1930's was not adopted by the Afghani legislature until Gregorian 1922! So swords made before that in 1895 apparently marked with the Arabian version of the calendar, not the Persian. Confusing, isn't it?

AJ1356 · 7th July 2018, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

I've had more info on the dates and had info from some other acquaintances and found 3 more swords with very similar Afghani blades as the shamshir from a variety of vendors with dates in the 1314 range attributed to the late 19c. I noted that the solar calendar that puts them at the 1930's was not adopted by the Afghani legislature until Gregorian 1922! So swords made before that in 1895 apparently marked with the Arabian version of the calendar, not the Persian. Confusing, isn't it?

You are correct. During the reign of King Amanullah, Afghanistan went from Hijri Qamari, to Hijri Shamsi. I would put the change closer to 1919 though. I am not sure of the exact dates, just remember roughly from history books about 30 years ago in primary school. If all my books were not in boxes now I could have opened on and found out exactly.

3rd July 2018, 06:25 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	OK, I stand corrected. Too many different calendars.... I spent 10 yrs. in Saudi, so I was familiar with the Arabic version... this converter says 1933 tho, not 1934 Attached Images

6th July 2018, 08:58 AM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	AH, the sword was bought with two others, a talwar and a khyber. Owner is asking for help translating what's on the top two. If you can help, it's appreciated. Thanks for any help. Are these in the same date range (1930's)? Slightly better photo of the lot... Not arrived yet so he can't tell what's on the other side... Attached Images

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3rd July 2018, 06:09 PM	#1
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	It is 1439 Hijri Qamari (Lunar), but it is 1396 Hijri Shamshi (Solar) Afghanistan and Iran go by the Solar calendar, so

3rd July 2018, 06:43 PM	#3
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	close enough Three first months of Gregorian calendar falls in one year and the remaining nine in the next. The new year starts with the first day of Spring, around March 20-22, think Zodiac Calendar.

6th July 2018, 03:57 PM	#5
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	Once he has received the items, have him take some nice detail pictures and then I'll translate them. I think the other two items are older.

7th July 2018, 08:43 AM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	I've had more info on the dates and had info from some other acquaintances and found 3 more swords with very similar Afghani blades as the shamshir from a variety of vendors with dates in the 1314 range attributed to the late 19c. I noted that the solar calendar that puts them at the 1930's was not adopted by the Afghani legislature until Gregorian 1922! So swords made before that in 1895 apparently marked with the Arabian version of the calendar, not the Persian. Confusing, isn't it?