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Is pictured in the catalogue of ethnographical specimes
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A BEAUTIFUL JIMPUL
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Vandoo,
The curved blade is caracteristic for a jimpul, but the most important thing to recognize a jimpul is the protusion on the blade near the hilt. The curl on picture 4. |
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Hi no this is wrong the 3 picture is important for if it is a Jimpul or not.
Albert Zonneveld made a big mistake putting a certan mandua between the jimpuls. On the Old Iban mandau you can find cowry shells I will post another one from the Coppens collection that have the same |
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This is an headmans Jimpul
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Dajak,
Another unique and interesting exquisite piece. The inlays looks like it's made from a few different materials. ![]() |
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Hello Dayak, what a beautiful toys you have!!!
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Hi Henk take my word I am just collecting these items only more than 30 years it is the way like I am telling.
The guard use is only by the parang Niabor and some old langai tingai. |
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HI Flavio
Difficult to say just look at the quality of the blade scabbard handle and don t forget that high quality mandau s can do these days more than 5 or 6000.00 euro's these pieces you see never on ebay |
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In a way you are both correct (according to Shelford's definition).
Dajak's comment on the Jimpul not ending in a point is found on all Jimpul. And Henk's comment on the finger-guard protrusion is usually found on a Jimpul. But it's not a "must be there" like Dajak's "non-point". Michael Last edited by VVV; 19th March 2006 at 05:38 PM. |
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And here is another ex-Coppen's, the one on page 73 far right.
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Look at the finger guard how can this hold your finger .
by the way an exxelent Jimpul This one was in my friend Richards collection. look at these pics none off them is a Jimpul so the crowit makes not that it is a jimpul. The parang Ilang is pictured in the book Quer Durch Borneo 1894 page 150 but has a crowit to Henk schould this be a Jimpul. The other one Is a langgai Tingai but according to Henk it is a Jimpul. So this explains why I am saying the crowit makes it not a Jimpul. And by the pics you can see I am right A Jimpul has a crowit and the the strange end it needs both to be a jimpul . |
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that's a cool looking machete!
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Hi Nechesh there are mandau s that look like new because they only used at cerimonial purposes .
The most newly made mandau s missing mostly a lot like carving handle and the forging off the blade is not always like the old style even scabbards are not the way they should be. I know A grandson From an Dayakhead man who live s overhere that was invited to a special festival in Borneo where no white people or outsiders get close to . He was seeing there fresh tattoo s on the hands off the Ibans. This was in the 1980 s I see a lot off pics from him that take you back to the old time. ![]() ![]() ![]() Or are gifts and never Used See these pics are givin to our Queens the one with the bone was giving in 1897 to Queen Emma from the Sultan of Kutai The other 2 a gift also from the sultan off Kutai in 1928 |
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Hi Dajak. Your explanation to Flavio's question is certainly just as valid. Since we don't know exactly what auctions he is referring to it's hard to tell. Thanks for sharing more good exaples. I think i may have caught the Dayak bug. Now that i have one mandau i find myself looking for more.
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i would like to add to this wonderfull discussion with very nice pictures that lots of weaponry and statues etc were made for collectors in the 19th century and of course other times. of course this mostly cannot be proven because many collectors have no provenance added. It just says: collected in nias in 1910 by.... this say only were and in what year the piece has been collectedand by whom.
For example: items were made for the great exhibitions in the early 20th century in paris etc and afterwards they dissapeared in museum collections. Also items that were perhaps 10 years old or less were taken to lets say dutch musea to put in the collection. But since it happenend in lets say 1860 we call it antique but you can have questions if it realy ever was used in the way it is intended. greetings Ron. |
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Hi nekesh the blade is used off this mandau no doubt about that .
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Dajak,
What is the significance of the fresh tattoos on the hands of the Iban at the festival? Thanks, Manny |
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Hi the fresh tattoo s on the hand means that there been taking heads otherwise not allowed to put the tattoo s on the hand.
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Dajak, you have a PM
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Hi to everybody. What do you think about this? Thank you
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Hi Flavio pieces like these are mostly gifts in the older days
and I know the guy who selling it it. I can only tell just look good in the books and in the museums and than compare. Look at old dayak picture s where they carry mandau s. Look at old collection s so it must be easy for you to find out what piece this is. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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I am not telling I am sorry for the buyer.
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I AGREE WITH THE DISCRIPTION ON THE MANDAU IN THE ABOVE PICTURE BUT WOULD POINT OUT THAT IT IS OF MUCH BETTER QUALITY THAN MOST OF THE MANDAU YOU SEE FOR SALE ON EBAY THESE DAYS. MOST HAVE VERY THIN POORLY MADE BLADES LOW QUALITY CARVEING AND NO ATTACHED SHORT HAIR IN DIFFERENT COLOR PATTERNS ON THE SCABBARDS.
A EXAMPLE LIKE THE ONE PICTURED WHILE MADE FOR CEREMONIAL USE OR PRESENTATION HAS A SERVICIBLE BLADE, GOOD CARVEING AND WORKMANSHIP THRU OUT. THEY WERE NOT MADE FOR HEADHUNTING AND DON'T USUALLY DATE TO THAT PERIOD SO WILL NOT APPEAL TO ONE WHO IS ONLY INTERESTED IN THAT PERIOD AND ASPECT BUT ARE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF DAYAK WORKMANSHIP AND ART. MOST OF THE SWORDS SEEN IN THE SHOPS IN KUCHING ARE OF MUCH POORER QUALITY AND ARE FAIRLY RECENT ( SAY WITHIN THE LAST 60 YEARS) BUT THERE ARE SOME STILL BEING MADE THAT HAVE SUPERB WORKMANSHIP AND DON'T LOOK TOURISTY OR NEW BUT THEY ARE FEW AND FAR IN BETWEEN. A COLLECTOR MUST BE VERY KNOWLEGABLE, LUCKY AND HAVE VERY DEEP POCKETS TO COLLECT THE GOOD OLD DAYAK WEAPONS THESE DAYS. I DON'T QUALIFY IN ANY OF THE THREE CATAGORIES SO I MUST BE CONTENT TO LOOK AT THE PICTURES AND THE FEW EXAMPLES I GOT IN THE PAST AND LEARN WHAT I CAN ABOUT THEM. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN INFORMATION ON WHAT TRIBE AND IN WHAT AREA THESE ARE MADE, I DIDN'T SEE ANY FOR SALE IN KUCHING SO SUSPECT IT MAY BE IN THE INDONESIAN PART OF BORNEO. I WAS ALSO WONDERING WHAT THE PRICE WAS ON THE MANDAU, ARE THEY USING A COMMA WHERE THEY SHOULD USE A DECIMAL POINT 340.00? OR IS THE PRICE OVER 34 THOUSAND USD, IF SO I TOO FEEL VERY SORRY FOR THE BUYER ![]() |
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