Spearhead.... North African ?

Tim Simmons · 20th March 2006, 07:35 AM

Yes looks that way; I believe the Mangbetu also inhabit areas of the sothern Sudan.

katana · 20th March 2006, 12:03 PM

Thankyou Luc,
certainly looks like a good match, and the book you referred to seems very informative, the illustrations are excellent.It seems that a great deal of literature regarding African weapons are in German, French and Dutch ( I appreciate the historical reasons for this.) Looks like I will have to try and gradually locate some, and use the 'Babel Fish' translation site to read them.

Luc LEFEBVRE · 20th March 2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by katana

Thankyou Luc,
certainly looks like a good match, and the book you referred to seems very informative, the illustrations are excellent.It seems that a great deal of literature regarding African weapons are in German, French and Dutch ( I appreciate the historical reasons for this.) Looks like I will have to try and gradually locate some, and use the 'Babel Fish' translation site to read them.

Many books edited in Belgium are french/english/dutch (or german) , so no problem !
You can have a small list on my website at the bottom of this page:
http://lulef.free.fr/html/armes_africaines.html

Luc

katana · 21st March 2006, 04:51 PM

Thanks Luc, I like your website, so it's now in my 'favorites' in my web browser.

Wodimi · 1st April 2006, 11:44 AM

Hello Katana,

I just find your spear tip question. What you have is definitely a spear tip from the Tubu living in the South East Sahara, mostly in Chad, but also in Niger and South Libya. For reference you can look in Peter Fuchs; Die Völker der Südost-Sahara; page 31. There are some similarities to Mangbetu spears, that's right, but they all have asymmetrical blades. Attached also a Tubu spear (the first from above) from my collection. This throwing spears are around 130 cm long and have at the end of the wooden shaft a small copper winding.

Wolf

katana · 1st April 2006, 11:52 AM

Thanks Wolf,
I appreciate your help,I must say those spears you posted in this thread look very nice

Tim Simmons · 1st April 2006, 05:33 PM

Wolf, how similar are your all metal spears to this one. These I believe are pan-sub Saharan, coming from a huge belt across SW Sudan/Chad to Mali, with regional differences. Tim

The Double D · 19th June 2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wodimi

Hello Katana,

I just find your spear tip question. What you have is definitely a spear tip from the Tubu living in the South East Sahara, mostly in Chad, but also in Niger and South Libya. For reference you can look in Peter Fuchs; Die Völker der Südost-Sahara; page 31. There are some similarities to Mangbetu spears, that's right, but they all have asymmetrical blades. Attached also a Tubu spear (the first from above) from my collection. This throwing spears are around 130 cm long and have at the end of the wooden shaft a small copper winding.

Wolf

I'm not sure how you are identifing the top Spear. Are you calling it Tabu?

katana · 19th June 2006, 10:02 PM

DD

I am certain Wodimi is refering to the top spear

1st April 2006, 11:44 AM	#5
Wodimi Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 75	Hello Katana, I just find your spear tip question. What you have is definitely a spear tip from the Tubu living in the South East Sahara, mostly in Chad, but also in Niger and South Libya. For reference you can look in Peter Fuchs; Die Völker der Südost-Sahara; page 31. There are some similarities to Mangbetu spears, that's right, but they all have asymmetrical blades. Attached also a Tubu spear (the first from above) from my collection. This throwing spears are around 130 cm long and have at the end of the wooden shaft a small copper winding. Wolf Attached Images

1st April 2006, 05:33 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Wolf, how similar are your all metal spears to this one. These I believe are pan-sub Saharan, coming from a huge belt across SW Sudan/Chad to Mali, with regional differences. Tim Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 1st April 2006 at 05:45 PM.

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20th March 2006, 07:35 AM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Yes looks that way; I believe the Mangbetu also inhabit areas of the sothern Sudan.

20th March 2006, 12:03 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thankyou Luc, certainly looks like a good match, and the book you referred to seems very informative, the illustrations are excellent.It seems that a great deal of literature regarding African weapons are in German, French and Dutch ( I appreciate the historical reasons for this.) Looks like I will have to try and gradually locate some, and use the 'Babel Fish' translation site to read them.

21st March 2006, 04:51 PM	#4
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thanks Luc, I like your website, so it's now in my 'favorites' in my web browser.

1st April 2006, 11:52 AM	#6
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thanks Wolf, I appreciate your help,I must say those spears you posted in this thread look very nice

19th June 2006, 10:02 PM	#9
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	DD I am certain Wodimi is refering to the top spear