Figural !

[Sajen]

Some Jawa Deman handles, variations in style, material and origin. But the most coming from Sumatra. Since they are in display now I've thought to share some pictures.

[Roland_M]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Some Jawa Deman handles, variations in style, material and origin. But the most coming from Sumatra. Since they are in display now I've thought to share some pictures.

Hello Detlef,

very nice collection and presentation!

Here is my unknown silver hilt, very detailed and made of a massive piece of silver, could be a kind of Cocetan. Maybe someone knows more.

No better pics, sorry.


Best wishes,
Roland

[Sajen]

Here the other Sumatra display, need to get cleaned again.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Roland_M

...very nice collection and presentation!

Thank you!

Originally Posted by Roland_M

Here is my unknown silver hilt, very detailed and made of a massive piece of silver, could be a kind of Cocetan. Maybe someone knows more.

I doubt that someone will be able to name this hilt. Balinese "carvers" use often their own interpretation of traditional figures for their handles.

Regards,
Detlef

[David]

Originally Posted by Roland_M

Here is my unknown silver hilt, very detailed and made of a massive piece of silver, could be a kind of Cocetan. Maybe someone knows more.
No better pics, sorry.

I can't say i have ever seen a Balinese hilt with this style and figure. Seems very unusual to me. I don't think this was intended to be a Kocetan. Only 2 arms (or legs) and their appear to be talons on the hands/feet.
Can you make some better photos of this hilt Roland. I would love to see it better.

[Sajen]

In the exhibition "Götter-Schmiede" was shown a Bali Keris with a nearly identical hilt, here a picture from the catalog. Sorry for the poor picture quality.

[David]

hmmm....now i am even more intrigued...

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by David

hmmm....now i am even more intrigued...

Hi David,

here the picture from the complete keris, the sarung from Roland's keris is very similar and it looks like they coming from the same workshop.
Both examples have a scabbard complete covered with silver sheet, with very good embossing and engraving work, outstanding work indeed. It's not exactly dated but guessed by the work done on this piece to end of the 19th to early 20th century. I would concur with this dating.
Here a picture from this keris, sadly it will be difficult to see the fine work.

Regards,
Detlef

[David]

Thanks Detlef.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi David,

here the picture from the complete keris, the sarung from Roland's keris is very similar and it looks like they coming from the same workshop.
Both examples have a scabbard complete covered with silver sheet, with very good embossing and engraving work, outstanding work indeed. It's not exactly dated but guessed by the work done on this piece to end of the 19th to early 20th century. I would concur with this dating.
Here a picture from this keris, sadly it will be difficult to see the fine work.

Regards,
Detlef

From the pics (so I may be wrong) I doubt that these pieces are that old and the style of embossed decoration is not Balinese?
Regards

[Roland_M]

Originally Posted by David

I can't say i have ever seen a Balinese hilt with this style and figure. Seems very unusual to me. I don't think this was intended to be a Kocetan. Only 2 arms (or legs) and their appear to be talons on the hands/feet.
Can you make some better photos of this hilt Roland. I would love to see it better.

Hello David,

sure and please here they are. I cannot say anything about the Ificah-example except that mine is much more detailed and more skillfully made. I can see traces from engraving. My example is from ~1900 or earlier. BTW, the Mendak is decorated with very fine rubys. The last picture with the blade is from the auction house. A very rare four armed Ganesha figure. I turned the hilt 180° immediately after it arrived.


Regards,
Roland

[David]

In many ways it looks more like a Barong or lion than a dragon, but it still does not seem to fit into any known Balinese style for said creatures. It's impressive regardless.

[Roland_M]

Originally Posted by David

In many ways it looks more like a Barong or lion than a dragon, but it still does not seem to fit into any known Balinese style for said creatures. It's impressive regardless.

Dragon is just a guess. I would say it is a zoomorphic figure with different influences. The Indonesians are the best artists worldwide with great advance related to zoomorphic figures. The flat and smooth blade seems to be from Bali.

[A. G. Maisey]

Roland, just to confirm:- the keris shown in post 142 is your keris, and it is attributed to pre-1900?

[Roland_M]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Roland, just to confirm:- the keris shown in post 142 is your keris, and it is attributed to pre-1900?

Alan, yes this is my Keris and the description of the auction house was 1800 or earlier. If you could see the scabbard, you would see, that this Keris is older than 30- 50 years or so. Detlef (sajen) saw this Keris many times and he also said ~1900.