Old Tajong or Coteng???

VVV · 10th March 2006, 07:53 AM

Thanks BluErf for sharing this info!
20% of your PhD at the VVV Viking University is completed and approved with this excellent summary. Look forward to the rest of your thesis on Coteng and Tajong Keris...

Michael

Alam Shah · 10th March 2006, 01:02 PM

Hi all, An interesting read would be,

History of The Malay Kingdom of Patani, by Ibrahim Syukri.
(translated by: Conner Bailey and John N. Miksic)
Ohio University, Monographs in International Studies
Southeast Asia Series, No. 68
ISBN: 0-89680-123-3

No Coteng or Tajong form, but will be of particular interest to those seeking to understand the persistence of conflict in southern Thailand.

BluErf · 10th March 2006, 01:15 PM

Here's a keris that went on ebay a while back. It looks like a proto-coteng/tajong from Sumatra.

It has South Sumatran motifs, and it looks a bit like the typical Sumatran garuda form (see last picture), but at the same time, it has the coteng/tajong characteristics - the posture of the arms and knees, the boxy head, square mouth with fangs, beginning of a elongated nose, the makara at both sides of the head with the awan larat motif.

The other hilt form which may be the ancestor of the coteng/tajong comes from the Tegal area in Java. Unfortunately, I do not have a picture of this form. This hilt form is a rashaksa form, but it also has the beginning of an elongated nose.

Andrew · 10th March 2006, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Thanks BluErf for sharing this info!
20% of your PhD at the VVV Viking University is completed and approved with this excellent summary. Look forward to the rest of your thesis on Coteng and Tajong Keris...

Michael

lol.

VVV · 10th March 2006, 01:54 PM

BluErf,

Do you mean the Dursana hilt?

Michael

BluErf · 11th March 2006, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

BluErf,

Do you mean the Dursana hilt?

Michael

A picture would be helpful to make sure we are on the same page.

VVV · 11th March 2006, 06:33 AM

BluErf,

It's on page 124 in Karsten Sejr-Jensen's book.
I think it's this one from the Tropen photo archive?

Michael

PS Nice hilt you picked up at eBay!

BluErf · 11th March 2006, 03:41 PM

Oh, I didn't bid on that hilt. I just collected the pictures for reference. Costs too much to buy every interesting keris...

Yes, the hilt you posted is the one. See the posture, hand signs, the crown, the makara by the side of his head, and even the anklets that are very often seen on tajong hilts. It has all the essential features of a proto-coteng/tajong, and a long nose to boot.

VVV · 11th March 2006, 04:28 PM

Yes, I agree that this wayang figure hilt (Dursana/Dursasana) resembles a Tajong hilt.
I also think that it's probable that the Tajong hilt comes from this wayang figure.
But I can't prove it so it's pure speculation...

Michael

10th March 2006, 01:02 PM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Book... Hi all, An interesting read would be, History of The Malay Kingdom of Patani, by Ibrahim Syukri. (translated by: Conner Bailey and John N. Miksic) Ohio University, Monographs in International Studies Southeast Asia Series, No. 68 ISBN: 0-89680-123-3 No Coteng or Tajong form, but will be of particular interest to those seeking to understand the persistence of conflict in southern Thailand.

10th March 2006, 01:15 PM	#3
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Here's a keris that went on ebay a while back. It looks like a proto-coteng/tajong from Sumatra. It has South Sumatran motifs, and it looks a bit like the typical Sumatran garuda form (see last picture), but at the same time, it has the coteng/tajong characteristics - the posture of the arms and knees, the boxy head, square mouth with fangs, beginning of a elongated nose, the makara at both sides of the head with the awan larat motif. The other hilt form which may be the ancestor of the coteng/tajong comes from the Tegal area in Java. Unfortunately, I do not have a picture of this form. This hilt form is a rashaksa form, but it also has the beginning of an elongated nose. Attached Images

11th March 2006, 06:33 AM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	BluErf, It's on page 124 in Karsten Sejr-Jensen's book. I think it's this one from the Tropen photo archive? Michael PS Nice hilt you picked up at eBay! Attached Images

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10th March 2006, 07:53 AM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks BluErf for sharing this info! 20% of your PhD at the VVV Viking University is completed and approved with this excellent summary. Look forward to the rest of your thesis on Coteng and Tajong Keris... Michael

10th March 2006, 01:54 PM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	BluErf, Do you mean the Dursana hilt? Michael

11th March 2006, 03:41 PM	#8
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Oh, I didn't bid on that hilt. I just collected the pictures for reference. Costs too much to buy every interesting keris... Yes, the hilt you posted is the one. See the posture, hand signs, the crown, the makara by the side of his head, and even the anklets that are very often seen on tajong hilts. It has all the essential features of a proto-coteng/tajong, and a long nose to boot.

11th March 2006, 04:28 PM	#9
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Yes, I agree that this wayang figure hilt (Dursana/Dursasana) resembles a Tajong hilt. I also think that it's probable that the Tajong hilt comes from this wayang figure. But I can't prove it so it's pure speculation... Michael