Comments will be appreciated, Berger collection

[fernando]

Hi Marcus,
My atempt ...

First one a nice plug bayonet, in principle Germanic, due to its typical shell guard. Would be nice to see close up pictures, specially of the guard. Could it be XVIII century ??.
Second one a typical hunting knife from South Italy. I have a similar one. Beg. XIX century.
Fourth one a bandit (?) knife, with a motto probably with a couple misspelings… or in some Italian dialect. It could mean something like “don’t trust me if you have no heart” … but don’t trust my translation either. Also nice to see close ups of the guy in the blade ricasso.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by fernando

Fourth one a bandit (?) knife, with a motto probably with a couple misspelings… or in some Italian dialect. It could mean something like “don’t trust me if you have no heart” … but don’t trust my translation either. Also nice to see close ups of the guy in the blade ricasso.

Somehow it looks like its hilt work resembles that of first example from South Italy ... you know, where the grip meets the blade. .

[Marcus]

I will certainly post some decent pictures once I have them in hand!

[corrado26]

In my opinion item 2 to item 4 came from Liguria/northern Italy. This typ of daggers came up in the 17. and 18. century in Genua and was to be found on the isles (Sardinia/Korsika) and partly in south eastern Spain.
corrado26

[fernando]

As i said, when i acquired mine, it was assumed to be from Meridional Italy.
I am aware of these knives being also credited to Liguria but, according to known Italian websites (and not only), they are attributed to Southern Italy. I ignore whether there are similar works from both regions with only slight variations or this is a dispute between opinion sources. Let them both be happy .
Here are pictures of mine, if Marcus doesn't mind .


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[Marcus]

Very nice.
The auction was sponsored by San Giorgia, who also sell a book " Il Costello Genovese" that was mentioned in this thread.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=Coltello

I have a copy on order We have Italian Post-Doc in the lab who should be able to help me with the text.

[fernando]

I should be nice to learn how to distinguish Ligurian (Genovese) knives from those of the South. Interesting to note that Sardinia, where the Genovese type seems to have reached (per corrado), is so Meridional as Southern Italy mainland. Actually another Italian auctioner also from the North (Czerny's), from where my example (indirectly) came, treats these types as Southern, while other sources calls them Meridian, a similar regional attribution. A pity that in "Armi Bianche dal Mediebo all'Eta Moderna" (post #17 of Marcus quoted thread) both Marcus item #2 as well as my example are not shown in their true shape... at least to my eyes .

BTW
Spanish (Albacete) knives, those that so many people out there confuses with plug bayonets, are different animals, of course.


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