Urgent Sword ID

Alan62 · 5th March 2006, 02:18 AM

Thank you Jim for that very detailed information.The dealer that I am looking at buying this from usually has many things that make reference to The Indo-Persia and also several turn of the century British Items as well as items from the late 18th century.The Mark on this sword that I described as a 2 with a period seems to actually be a script mark of some kind,(I believe it to be Middle eastern). The "2" is actually on its side and the Period above it.
Sometimes I wish these things could talk.
I am still debating this purchase so I probably won't get much sleep tonight.

Thank you and everyone again for all your insight

a pic of the "2" again on the right hand side of the picture

Michael Blalock · 5th March 2006, 03:20 AM

I would wager that this picture is upside down and the writting is arabic.

ham · 5th March 2006, 04:16 AM

The dealer that I am looking at buying this from usually has many things that make reference to The Indo-Persian Wars

What wars are those?

Jim McD has identified the sword accurately, it has simply had a private purchase grip put on it. The Dutch and Germans also used a "karabela" form grip quite a bit on a variety of sidearms-- this is clearly a Western European piece.

Ham

ariel · 5th March 2006, 05:10 AM

Isn't that an "E" and another letter on the blade?

Alan62 · 5th March 2006, 02:54 PM

Ham "What wars are those?"
Sorry
I got confused ,I mean to say a lot of what he (the dealer ) has is "Indo Persian" according to him and much of it during times when appearantly the British were in control of India and I just asumed that some of the paintings depicting battle scenes and letters home and ship manifests and weapons and other stuff he has for sale meant there was a war of some kind.You are correct Jim did describe it very accuratley.

My Bad

Ariel
I am not sure what it is

Jim McDougall · 5th March 2006, 07:36 PM

Ham and Alan, thank you very much

I am inclined to agree with Michael, the character that appears numeric 2 may very well be Arabic (I'm definitely not a linguist!) and seems to correspond in degree the the Arabic letter 'ayn'. Possibly the singular letter may be an inventory mark which may support the idea that this was furbished in the Arabian Aden region from British sword components. The diagonal lines at the forte on the blade as well as the cross section seem to correspond to British military blades of the 1790's.

Best regards,
Jim

5th March 2006, 02:18 AM	#1
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	Thank you Jim for that very detailed information.The dealer that I am looking at buying this from usually has many things that make reference to The Indo-Persia and also several turn of the century British Items as well as items from the late 18th century.The Mark on this sword that I described as a 2 with a period seems to actually be a script mark of some kind,(I believe it to be Middle eastern). The "2" is actually on its side and the Period above it. Sometimes I wish these things could talk. I am still debating this purchase so I probably won't get much sleep tonight. Thank you and everyone again for all your insight a pic of the "2" again on the right hand side of the picture Last edited by Alan62; 5th March 2006 at 03:37 PM. Reason: Edited to correct Indo Persian war to Indo persia.

5th March 2006, 02:54 PM	#5
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	Ham "What wars are those?" Sorry I got confused ,I mean to say a lot of what he (the dealer ) has is "Indo Persian" according to him and much of it during times when appearantly the British were in control of India and I just asumed that some of the paintings depicting battle scenes and letters home and ship manifests and weapons and other stuff he has for sale meant there was a war of some kind.You are correct Jim did describe it very accuratley. My Bad Ariel I am not sure what it is Last edited by Alan62; 5th March 2006 at 03:31 PM.

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5th March 2006, 03:20 AM	#2
Michael Blalock Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: dc Posts: 273	I would wager that this picture is upside down and the writting is arabic.

5th March 2006, 04:16 AM	#3
ham Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 190	The dealer that I am looking at buying this from usually has many things that make reference to The Indo-Persian Wars What wars are those? Jim McD has identified the sword accurately, it has simply had a private purchase grip put on it. The Dutch and Germans also used a "karabela" form grip quite a bit on a variety of sidearms-- this is clearly a Western European piece. Ham

5th March 2006, 05:10 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Isn't that an "E" and another letter on the blade?

5th March 2006, 07:36 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,867	Ham and Alan, thank you very much I am inclined to agree with Michael, the character that appears numeric 2 may very well be Arabic (I'm definitely not a linguist!) and seems to correspond in degree the the Arabic letter 'ayn'. Possibly the singular letter may be an inventory mark which may support the idea that this was furbished in the Arabian Aden region from British sword components. The diagonal lines at the forte on the blade as well as the cross section seem to correspond to British military blades of the 1790's. Best regards, Jim