Shin Gunto 95-98 real ? kanjis translations on blade welcomed

francantolin · 10th March 2017, 10:59 PM

Hello, thank you, I ll try to do pictures of better quality for the kanjis/signature on the tang. I read that officier gunto sword where sometimes unsharpened , more representation sword rather than made for war...

Battara · 11th March 2017, 04:46 AM

You might be right, but I have never found an unsharpened gunto blade.

I wonder if I also see a fuzzy seki stamp on the upper right of the tang. If so, this would certainly not be a fake but a true gunto.

Can't tell by the pictures but it would be great if this were gendai, although the seki stamp makes this unlikely.

francantolin · 11th March 2017, 05:46 AM

Hello, thank you,
Yes, a friend told me the small stamp is for seki / showa period
( why I thought and see more an ''industrial'' blade ).
I^ll ( try) to post better quality pictures.

francantolin · 11th March 2017, 08:41 AM

Better pictures !
Holy daylight !!

francantolin · 12th March 2017, 09:02 AM

No japanese specialist or WWII fanatic ?

I put the mei on right side !

koto · 12th March 2017, 09:16 AM

Rich is right about your shin gunto.
It is authentic.
The sowrd smith signature is Kanenori 兼則
Date inscription is Showa 18 years August (1943), with a Nagoya arsenal stamp.
Cheers

Rich · 12th March 2017, 11:41 AM

That is the date side. Showa ....... The makers mei is the two Kanji side. Also the stamp is a Nagoya Arsenal acceptance stamp, not a Seki or Showa stamp.
Kanenori is a known smith. Here is an example of his signature (Mei) and notice it also has the Nagoya arsenal mark.

http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/oshigata/kanenori.jpg

Hope this helps.

Rich
-------------------------------------------------------
Richard Stein, PhD, FAIC

Japanese Sword Guide
http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/nihonto.htm

David · 12th March 2017, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by francantolin

No japanese specialist or WWII fanatic ?

I believe that is exactly what you are getting with Rich's comments.

francantolin · 12th March 2017, 06:15 PM

Yes, Thanks a lot for precious informations about Kanenori and the Mei !!

I have a last question because I'm not a specialist:

I heard about industrial or semi industrial blade during this period,
I think this one is a semi industrial,
have you an idea what was the work of the blacksmith ?
just inspecting the blade ? Polishing ?

( I don't think it is a forged Gendai blade , I see no hamon )

GIO · 12th March 2017, 07:20 PM

A further superfluous information from "Military swords of Japan (1868-1945)" by Fuller and Gregory.
The explanation about figure vi reads: "Na or mei stamp. Very small and easily overlooked, this is probably a general inspection or acceptance stamp - as well as a Nagoya Arsenal firearms control stamp. Fairly common"

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Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	That is the date side. Showa ....... The makers mei is the two Kanji side. Also the stamp is a Nagoya Arsenal acceptance stamp, not a Seki or Showa stamp. Kanenori is a known smith. Here is an example of his signature (Mei) and notice it also has the Nagoya arsenal mark. http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/oshigata/kanenori.jpg Hope this helps. Rich ------------------------------------------------------- Richard Stein, PhD, FAIC Japanese Sword Guide http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/nihonto.htm Last edited by Rich; 12th March 2017 at 12:36 PM. Reason: add

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GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 335	A further superfluous information from "Military swords of Japan (1868-1945)" by Fuller and Gregory. The explanation about figure vi reads: "Na or mei stamp. Very small and easily overlooked, this is probably a general inspection or acceptance stamp - as well as a Nagoya Arsenal firearms control stamp. Fairly common" Attached Images

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10th March 2017, 10:59 PM	#1
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 959	Hello, thank you, I ll try to do pictures of better quality for the kanjis/signature on the tang. I read that officier gunto sword where sometimes unsharpened , more representation sword rather than made for war...

11th March 2017, 04:46 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,397	You might be right, but I have never found an unsharpened gunto blade. I wonder if I also see a fuzzy seki stamp on the upper right of the tang. If so, this would certainly not be a fake but a true gunto. Can't tell by the pictures but it would be great if this were gendai, although the seki stamp makes this unlikely.

11th March 2017, 05:46 AM	#3
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 959	Hello, thank you, Yes, a friend told me the small stamp is for seki / showa period ( why I thought and see more an ''industrial'' blade ). I^ll ( try) to post better quality pictures.

12th March 2017, 09:16 AM	#6
koto Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 27	Rich is right about your shin gunto. It is authentic. The sowrd smith signature is Kanenori 兼則 Date inscription is Showa 18 years August (1943), with a Nagoya arsenal stamp. Cheers

12th March 2017, 06:15 PM	#9
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 959	Yes, Thanks a lot for precious informations about Kanenori and the Mei !! I have a last question because I'm not a specialist: I heard about industrial or semi industrial blade during this period, I think this one is a semi industrial, have you an idea what was the work of the blacksmith ? just inspecting the blade ? Polishing ? ( I don't think it is a forged Gendai blade , I see no hamon )