Kris

CCUAL · 27th December 2016, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Wow, great result!

From where you get the handle and scabbard?

Regards,
Detlef

The scabbard and the handle came together with a broken blade, luckily the clamp fits perfectly, so its just basically transferring the hardware to the new blade, with some grinding to the mouth of the scabbard. I got this at an antique store in Yuma, Arizona.

Sajen · 28th December 2016, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCUAL

The scabbard and the handle came together with a broken blade, luckily the clamp fits perfectly, so its just basically transferring the hardware to the new blade, with some grinding to the mouth of the scabbard. I got this at an antique store in Yuma, Arizona.

Hello Chris,

great luck! Agree with Ian that the scabbard look much younger as the handle, do you have reworked it?

Regards,
Detlef

CCUAL · 28th December 2016, 04:44 PM

Hello Sajen, the scabbard and handle came together and are original it just look new now because I shaved off the patina by polished the wood and nails. I added the cloth and the rattan wrap later. Thanks for the comments and compliments. Cheers

CCUAL · 29th December 2016, 01:08 AM

Can someone tell me which moro tribe this belongs to? based on the sheath and handle. thanks

Battara · 29th December 2016, 04:08 AM

I have seen this before. According to the silver mounts, baka-baka, front "mouth" of the ganga, etc, I would place this as Maguindanao. I will admit the wranga does look a little Sulu.

Do you now own this?

And great work on the other kris - really brought out the pattern!

CCUAL · 29th December 2016, 05:25 AM

[QUOTE=Battara]I have seen this before. According to the silver mounts, baka-baka, front "mouth" of the ganga, etc, I would place this as Maguindanao. I will admit the wranga does look a little Sulu.

Do you now own this?

Yes, I pick this up from ebay early this year. Thanks btw for clarifying the origin of this kris.

David · 29th December 2016, 05:40 AM

What is the material of the pommel on this one. The photos aren't very good, but it looks like fossilized elephant molar. Can we see some better shots of it?

Ian · 29th December 2016, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CCUAL

Can someone tell me which moro tribe this belongs to? based on the sheath and handle. thanks

According to Cato, the sheath is Mindanao in origin, possibly Maranao. The hilt is harder to classify with its jute wrapping flanked by two encircling silver (?) sheet bands. There appears to be crenelation along the edge of the top band, a feature often found on Maranao hilts but by no means unique to that tribal group. The elephant tooth small kakatua pommel is unusual and not a characteristic finding for any of the major Moro groups.

Ian

Ian · 29th December 2016, 12:24 PM

Rarely do I disagree with Jose, but on this occasion I think he is mistaken in his attribution of the blade to the Maguindanao, at least if we are to believe Cato's classification.

Attached is a scan of Cato's Figure 39-42,* which I have labeled A,B,C,D: A = Sulu kris; B = Maranao; C = Maguindanao; and D = a "crossover" form. A picture of your kris (attached) shows the "elephant trunk" area is most consistent with the Maranao example (B) shown by Cato.

To quote Cato (p. 68):

The type that is distinctly Maranao begins with an elongated trunk [I think the tip of your trunk may have broken off]. The mouth cavity, while still present, is quite narrow, and the lower jaw runs parallel to the guard. While the Sulu, Maguindanao and "crossover" forms of the elephant's head/trunk motif display concave cavities beneath the lower jaw, the Maranao configuration does not.

Ian.

*Cato, R. Moro Swords. Graham Brash: Singapore, 1996, pp. 68-69.

Battara · 29th December 2016, 01:16 PM

Actually I was referring to the "tooth kris", the one with the fossil molar ivory.

On the one you are referencing, Ian, I agree.

28th December 2016, 04:44 PM	#3
CCUAL Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 76	Hello Sajen, the scabbard and handle came together and are original it just look new now because I shaved off the patina by polished the wood and nails. I added the cloth and the rattan wrap later. Thanks for the comments and compliments. Cheers Last edited by CCUAL; 28th December 2016 at 05:11 PM.

29th December 2016, 01:08 AM	#4
CCUAL Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 76	Tooth Kris Can someone tell me which moro tribe this belongs to? based on the sheath and handle. thanks Attached Images

29th December 2016, 12:24 PM	#9
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,710	Rarely do I disagree with Jose, but on this occasion I think he is mistaken in his attribution of the blade to the Maguindanao, at least if we are to believe Cato's classification. Attached is a scan of Cato's Figure 39-42,* which I have labeled A,B,C,D: A = Sulu kris; B = Maranao; C = Maguindanao; and D = a "crossover" form. A picture of your kris (attached) shows the "elephant trunk" area is most consistent with the Maranao example (B) shown by Cato. To quote Cato (p. 68): The type that is distinctly Maranao begins with an elongated trunk [I think the tip of your trunk may have broken off]. The mouth cavity, while still present, is quite narrow, and the lower jaw runs parallel to the guard. While the Sulu, Maguindanao and "crossover" forms of the elephant's head/trunk motif display concave cavities beneath the lower jaw, the Maranao configuration does not. Ian. Cato, R. Moro Swords*. Graham Brash: Singapore, 1996, pp. 68-69. Attached Images

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29th December 2016, 04:08 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,397	I have seen this before. According to the silver mounts, baka-baka, front "mouth" of the ganga, etc, I would place this as Maguindanao. I will admit the wranga does look a little Sulu. Do you now own this? And great work on the other kris - really brought out the pattern!

29th December 2016, 05:25 AM	#6
CCUAL Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 76	[QUOTE=Battara]I have seen this before. According to the silver mounts, baka-baka, front "mouth" of the ganga, etc, I would place this as Maguindanao. I will admit the wranga does look a little Sulu. Do you now own this? Yes, I pick this up from ebay early this year. Thanks btw for clarifying the origin of this kris.

29th December 2016, 05:40 AM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,289	What is the material of the pommel on this one. The photos aren't very good, but it looks like fossilized elephant molar. Can we see some better shots of it?

29th December 2016, 01:16 PM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,397	Actually I was referring to the "tooth kris", the one with the fossil molar ivory. On the one you are referencing, Ian, I agree.