Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 11th November 2016, 04:59 PM   #1
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by A.alnakkas
All conjecture. The backside could tell us a lot. But there are identical items with Saudi maker names on them, this one is no different. A Saudi khanjar in Oman and an Omani khanjar in Saudi is not uncommon.

Conjecture? Please read again the post explaining step by step the style transmission throughout the Khanjar form from 1 to 4 above. #look at the references I have supplied...then consider the obvious trade links between Muscat Sur and Zanzibar both ways and the influence therefor in the Asir style....via its main Port; Jazzan. The flower stamp is not Omani. The question arrises as; Are the Asir daggers copies of the Al Wustah or did they simply apply a stamp and often a Yemeni or Saudia signature to traded in daggers?

I have never seen Saudia daggers in Oman...and finally Omani Khanjars in Saudia is precisely what we are trying to uncover; is it not?
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th December 2016, 01:39 PM   #2
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default

I had a few moments to spare so I recorded a few Omani Khanjars from the web..
Attached Images
            
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st December 2016, 10:40 AM   #3
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default

Just adding another Khanjar we have cleaned for a client ..People do insist on having this done since the oxide is black and easily messes up a perfectly white dish dash...thus they want their khanjars clean...It only takes about 6 months for the patina to return since the weapons are silver. This one is from the Baatinah and has a high density hilt of plastic...and a cloth belt in traditional geometry.
Attached Images
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th February 2017, 07:57 PM   #4
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default

The oldest Omani Khanjar seen so far here...Rhino Hilt Baatinah Coast said to be from Musanah probably a port and slaving station for Rustaq. Dated and signed; In itself a remarkable find since only Masters signed their work and dated late 19th Century...19/11/88. Some wear damage to the decorated lower scabbard. Narrow dagger blade. Unusual belt buckle. Massive scabbard.
Attached Images
   

Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 19th February 2017 at 08:57 PM.
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th February 2017, 08:19 PM   #5
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default

The second weapon arriving with the Khanjar at the post above, with similar decoration and Rhino Hilt and from the same source; possibly the same makers workshop. Again a quite narrow blade with two small fullers at the throat. Minor wear damage in the main scabbard decoration. Flat ended crown.I would normally expect to see silver pins in this Hilt and indeed this silver plate may be a replacement..
Attached Images
  

Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 19th February 2017 at 08:34 PM.
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st February 2017, 07:59 PM   #6
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default

Here I can place both weapons together to compare...Currently the confusion over the dated weapon is gathering steam since after the date is the word Hijri...indicating an Islamic date ...? but the date is rolled out as 88/11/19...
Attached Images
  

Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 21st February 2017 at 08:10 PM.
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd February 2017, 11:14 PM   #7
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Default

I NEVER SAW A DATE FORMATTED LIKE ON THAT KHANJAR...

It appears from right to left but in arabic numerals 88 / 11 / 19 with the word hijri in old arabic...certainly old omani arabic... It cannot be late 20th century since the wear on it is much older than that ... I suspect 19thC. Now could the date be one of those puzzles with numbers... 19 minus 11 is 8 , 8x 11 = 88... It happens to be a day after national day ..Coincidence?... Could it be the date of the placement of a new hilt... ? It is, after all, inscribed on the hilt..which may well be a later addition, We may never know... Any ideas?
Attached Images
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.