Sword fragment - opinions

Helleri · 17th July 2016, 11:42 AM

I notice that the fuller extends a bit down onto the tang. The grain is tight, fine and wave like. The Tang is tapered enough to end in being peened. Can you get a picture of the end of the pommel?

ulfberth · 17th July 2016, 11:57 AM

Hi Andreas,

Im sure this is an Original, it looks that it has been chemically cleaned before and now it has rusted again.

kind regards

Ulfberth

AHorsa · 17th July 2016, 01:55 PM

Thanks for the infos! Sounds good.
Will post images of the pommel the next days.
Any opinion on the age and geographical classification of the sword?

Best regards
Andreas

Helleri · 17th July 2016, 10:26 PM

It seems to be (from whats left of it) very inline with the dimensions, form and features of an arming sword. And if it were an arming sword and European (that it could be is speculative). You might want to use Oakshott typology to help classify it. I may be wrong but that looks like a type H pommel and type 11 guard. I don't think the blade itself could be fairly categorized.

stekemest · 18th July 2016, 12:03 AM

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Im sure this is an Original, it looks that it has been chemically cleaned before and now it has rusted again.

I completely agree. It is very likely an original, but the surface has been badly damaged, probably by electrolysis or some sort of acid.

AHorsa · 18th July 2016, 09:58 PM

thanks for the replies, stekemest and helleri. will have some investigation in this direction.
here are some pics of the end of the pommel. the little pin / rivet is missing, probably broken off or rusted away.

best regards
andreas

stekemest · 19th July 2016, 12:06 PM

The new pictures convince me it is an original. Congratulations.

18th July 2016, 09:58 PM	#6
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 393	thanks for the replies, stekemest and helleri. will have some investigation in this direction. here are some pics of the end of the pommel. the little pin / rivet is missing, probably broken off or rusted away. best regards andreas Attached Images Last edited by AHorsa; 19th July 2016 at 08:03 AM.

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17th July 2016, 11:42 AM	#1
Helleri Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Chino, CA. Posts: 219	I notice that the fuller extends a bit down onto the tang. The grain is tight, fine and wave like. The Tang is tapered enough to end in being peened. Can you get a picture of the end of the pommel?

17th July 2016, 11:57 AM	#2
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 447	Hi Andreas, Im sure this is an Original, it looks that it has been chemically cleaned before and now it has rusted again. kind regards Ulfberth

17th July 2016, 01:55 PM	#3
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 393	Thanks for the infos! Sounds good. Will post images of the pommel the next days. Any opinion on the age and geographical classification of the sword? Best regards Andreas

17th July 2016, 10:26 PM	#4
Helleri Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Chino, CA. Posts: 219	It seems to be (from whats left of it) very inline with the dimensions, form and features of an arming sword. And if it were an arming sword and European (that it could be is speculative). You might want to use Oakshott typology to help classify it. I may be wrong but that looks like a type H pommel and type 11 guard. I don't think the blade itself could be fairly categorized.

19th July 2016, 12:06 PM	#7
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 187	The new pictures convince me it is an original. Congratulations.