Caucasian / Circassian percussion rifle?

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

It certainly is a finely narrow problem when trying to work out the difference....

Pinterest suggest from the Met that the Gun below is..Quote''Caucasian (Kubachi, Dagestan) Flintlock, ca. 1800 to 1850, steel, silver-gilt, niello, gold, ivory, caliber, .56 in. (14.22 mm) Length, 52 in. (132.08 cm). This rifle was probably made in the Dagestani village of Kubachi, the principal armsmaking center in the Caucasus. The Arabic inscription on the barrel, "Owned by Abā Muslim Khān Shamkhāl," and the very high quality of the workmanship suggest that it belonged to a member of the family of the ruling prince (shāmkhāl). Met Museum."Unquote

I add for interest a powder flask from Caucasus regions noting similarities in Ottoman systems and in fact Omani...

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

It certainly is a finely narrow problem when trying to work out the difference....

Pinterest suggest from the Met that the Gun below is..Quote''Caucasian (Kubachi, Dagestan) Flintlock, ca. 1800 to 1850, steel, silver-gilt, niello, gold, ivory, caliber, .56 in. (14.22 mm) Length, 52 in. (132.08 cm). This rifle was probably made in the Dagestani village of Kubachi, the principal armsmaking center in the Caucasus. The Arabic inscription on the barrel, "Owned by Abā Muslim Khān Shamkhāl," and the very high quality of the workmanship suggest that it belonged to a member of the family of the ruling prince (shāmkhāl). Met Museum."Unquote

I add for interest a powder flask from Caucasus regions noting similarities in Ottoman systems and in fact Omani...

Ibrahiim, you have to be little bit skeptical of many Met Museum descriptions, I have found a lot of mistakes, some the museum eventually corrected, some are still there.

When I made the image you posted I really had no choice but to use their description as I can not tell if it is actually a Caucasian or Persian gun. It would be nice to get some other opinions from some ot our more knowledgable members.

[Oliver Pinchot]

Eric, that one probably is Caucasian but without examining it in hand it's not a certainty.

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

Eric, that one probably is Caucasian but without examining it in hand it's not a certainty.

Thanks Oliver.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Indeed ... which is why I wrote..."It certainly is a finely narrow problem when trying to work out the difference".... The Met I tend to go along with... and it was the applied information I gleaned along with the picture....I see no problem regurgitating that as to miss it out rather defeats the object and since we are Forum ....and bearing in mind the proviso presented by Oliver ...I think it is reasonable to go along with...I mean not that there is anything wrong with having a go at these big organizations.. Blah!! Met...Who are they??

Meanwhile this is another excellent thread...great picture too!

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Indeed ... which is why I wrote..."It certainly is a finely narrow problem when trying to work out the difference".... The Met I tend to go along with... and it was the applied information I gleaned along with the picture....I see no problem regurgitating that as to miss it out rather defeats the object and since we are Forum ....and bearing in mind the proviso presented by Oliver ...I think it is reasonable to go along with...I mean not that there is anything wrong with having a go at these big organizations.. Blah!! Met...Who are they??

Meanwhile this is another excellent thread...great picture too!

Well were ever it was originally made it is an absolutely fantastic example that has survived intact.

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