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Hi Estcrh.
What a nice find !!! Congratulations !!!! And I fully agree with Oliver's assessments above. I have found that Persian made -complete long guns - are even more difficult to locate than their Caucassion counterparts. Which is probably the reason for the difficulty in locating other Persian specimens. Also, the gun should be a fairly simple restoration, should you decide to do so. Again, really nice find. Here is a pic of both a Caucasion and Persian long guns for comparison. Rick |
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Both of your examples are awesome, and quite rare, thanks for showing them. I would like to at least have the stock repaired, any suggestions? I do not know of anyone were I live (Louisiana) who works on antique guns. |
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While we are at it, how about this one, the owners says it is Caucasian but it seems to have a round butt, any chance this is Persian?
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It certainly is a finely narrow problem when trying to work out the difference....
Pinterest suggest from the Met that the Gun below is..Quote''Caucasian (Kubachi, Dagestan) Flintlock, ca. 1800 to 1850, steel, silver-gilt, niello, gold, ivory, caliber, .56 in. (14.22 mm) Length, 52 in. (132.08 cm). This rifle was probably made in the Dagestani village of Kubachi, the principal armsmaking center in the Caucasus. The Arabic inscription on the barrel, "Owned by Abā Muslim Khān Shamkhāl," and the very high quality of the workmanship suggest that it belonged to a member of the family of the ruling prince (shāmkhāl). Met Museum."Unquote I add for interest a powder flask from Caucasus regions noting similarities in Ottoman systems and in fact Omani... Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 9th July 2016 at 11:37 PM. |
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When I made the image you posted I really had no choice but to use their description as I can not tell if it is actually a Caucasian or Persian gun. It would be nice to get some other opinions from some ot our more knowledgable members. Last edited by estcrh; 10th July 2016 at 06:58 PM. |
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Eric, that one probably is Caucasian but without examining it in hand it's not a certainty.
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I still agree with Oliver that your gun is Persian. That it was made as a percussion, likely dates the gun post 1850. The more Europen style trigger and guard show just a bit of Western influence. A very interesting gun and worth a repair. Rick. |
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When the Persians started to equip their military with modern factory made guns the old ones seem to have been stripped down and the barrels sold off around the middle east, at least that is what seems to have happened as far as I can tell. At least with Ottoman guns there are a lot of remaining flintlocks but not so with the Persian guns, they must have done something with them or they would be turning up at auctions and in collections etc. |
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Persian Long Guns: Yes, I remember that Thread. Your guess as to what happened to all these guns is as good as any. It's a real mystery. Rick |
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FIREARMS in Persia. This article surveys the history and production of various firearms and artillery in Persia from their introduction to the 19th century. Originally Published: December 15, 1999, by Rudi Matthee.
http://www.iranicaonline.org/article...arms-i-history Professor Rudi Matthee: The History of Firearms in Persia, This article by Professor Rudi Matthee first appeared in the Encyclopedia Iranica on December 15, 1999. Professor Matthee’s article surveys the history and production of various firearms and artillery in Persia from their introduction to the 19th century. http://kavehfarrokh.com/iranica/mili...rms-in-persia/ Lexicon of Arms and Armor from Iran by Dr. Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani, 2010 http://kavehfarrokh.com/book-review/5770/ |
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