Destroying artwork

kronckew · 30th June 2016, 06:00 PM

i suspect a well meaning herd of touchy-feely 'ecologists' got together with a similar flock of politicians in order to share the one brain cell they possessed in order to 'save the ellyfants'. they decided that a massive deployement of nucular level force was required, and being bird-brains (sorry to insult all the birds out there who are much smarter than politicians) they picked the simplist approach. ban the trade in ivory and destroy any they come across being traded. there, problem solved. we are lucky they did not decide the best way to end the trade in elly ivory was to wipe out all the ellyfants. that'd do it.

reminds me of a tale i was told in my USCG days about an expedition one of our icebreakers took to the south polar seas to support a scientific expedition to study a small group of a species of seal going extinct so they could find out why. there apparently were only five left a male and 4 females. they found them, darted them, took their measurements and sadly two of the seals had died from overdoses of anaesthesia. included the male. the study of course sadly noted that the three females were the last of their species and the seals had no hope of recovery. i concluded that scientific studies cause extinctions.

drac2k · 30th June 2016, 07:33 PM

I'm glad you told me that "man," was responsible for the demise of the male seal; for a moment I thought that the other 4 female seals incessantly talked to him, causing him to take his own life.

kronckew · 30th June 2016, 08:05 PM

no. it was however female scientists that overdosed them. or maybe they talked them to death. we did a 'scientific' patrol to the north polar seas on our icebreaker to study the mating habits of walrus, they even brought a mini sub & of course CCTV to record it all. three months cruising off the north coast of alaska, occasionally dipping the sub in the water. the scientists spent a lot of time smoking strange smelling tobacco in hand rolled cigarettes. (

) a few million taxpayer dollars later all they got was about 10 minutes of vague walrussy shapes moving thru the murky water. one of the more important scientists ate dinner with us occasionally in the wardroom (officer's mess). i once told him 'i know a marine smarter than you'. our helo pilot objected to that and was a bit angry - he outranked me as well as being bigger than me- he was an ex-marine pilot that has transferred to the USCG. took a bit of apologizing to him to get out of that one.

drac2k · 1st July 2016, 05:07 PM

"Walrussy shapes moving through the murky water," sounds like a typical summer's day with tourists at Virginia Beach;heck, they could seen herds of "walrussy shapes," and saved millions.
I wonder how much it would cost today to go on the H.M.S. Beagle for a 5 year voyage and accomplish what Charles Darwin did; would it even be possible ?

kronckew · 1st July 2016, 06:15 PM

va. beach - not to far from one of my old haunts at the USCG base at yorktown, spent 3 months there in the fall of '68 on a couple of training courses after i got commissioned. went to NOLA for 3 yrs after that. drove thru the battle field at least twice a day as we (me & wife #1) lived off base. very eerie on foggy mornings. i've crawled all over the fortifications & been thru the other exhibits there too. much more impressive than the similar field in metarie, la. where gen. packenham got his self ventilated & stuffed in a brandy casket in 1815.

Rick · 1st July 2016, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by drac2k

"Walrussy shapes moving through the murky water," sounds like a typical summer's day with tourists at Virginia Beach;heck, they could seen herds of "walrussy shapes," and saved millions.
I wonder how much it would cost today to go on the H.M.S. Beagle for a 5 year voyage and accomplish what Charles Darwin did; would it even be possible ?

Have you read Joseph Banks A Life by Patrick O'Brian?
Good book.

Speaking of seals....never had any seals around here.
Now we do, and they have brought......

kronckew · 1st July 2016, 06:43 PM

killer whales, saw a pod or two of those up in the aleutians, along with a bunch of seals, offshore tho, the whales must have had other things in their minds as they swam right past the unconcerned seals that were mobbing our cutter along with a flock of gulls.(cookie was throwing fish & crab bits over the rail.)

drac2k · 1st July 2016, 08:02 PM

There is a great deal of history around the USCG base in Yorktown ,Richmond, Petersburg, etc.; I have friends, who on any given day, metal detecting can come up with a bucket of Civil War bullets or earlier round balls from the Revolutionary War.If you were stationed in Yorktown, then you probably got one of the best grilled lobster tails and a wonderful Greek salad at Nick's Resturant;sadly it is no longer there.
I have not read the book " Joseph Banks A life by Patrick O'Brian," but it is now on my list and I will.
Funny you should mention seals; my Chiropractor told me just yesterday that he saw one on the beach and even though he admitted that he had been drinking and it was dark, he swears it to be so.It was probably just a homeless person.
In our beach area we can now offer you bites by sharks, death by umbrellas, a better chance to win the lottery than finding a parking space, flesh eating bacteria and an improbable but possible encounter with a seal.

Rick · 1st July 2016, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

killer whales, saw a pod or two of those up in the aleutians, along with a bunch of seals, offshore tho, the whales must have had other things in their minds as they swam right past the unconcerned seals that were mobbing our cutter along with a flock of gulls.(cookie was throwing fish & crab bits over the rail.)

Bro, that's a White Pointer .... they came with the seals.
Those seals consume roughly 500,000 pounds of fish per day.

Conservation's a double edged sword.

This shark is an average sized Grinner.

30th June 2016, 08:05 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,281	no. it was however female scientists that overdosed them. or maybe they talked them to death. we did a 'scientific' patrol to the north polar seas on our icebreaker to study the mating habits of walrus, they even brought a mini sub & of course CCTV to record it all. three months cruising off the north coast of alaska, occasionally dipping the sub in the water. the scientists spent a lot of time smoking strange smelling tobacco in hand rolled cigarettes. () a few million taxpayer dollars later all they got was about 10 minutes of vague walrussy shapes moving thru the murky water. one of the more important scientists ate dinner with us occasionally in the wardroom (officer's mess). i once told him 'i know a marine smarter than you'. our helo pilot objected to that and was a bit angry - he outranked me as well as being bigger than me- he was an ex-marine pilot that has transferred to the USCG. took a bit of apologizing to him to get out of that one.

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30th June 2016, 06:00 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,281	i suspect a well meaning herd of touchy-feely 'ecologists' got together with a similar flock of politicians in order to share the one brain cell they possessed in order to 'save the ellyfants'. they decided that a massive deployement of nucular level force was required, and being bird-brains (sorry to insult all the birds out there who are much smarter than politicians) they picked the simplist approach. ban the trade in ivory and destroy any they come across being traded. there, problem solved. we are lucky they did not decide the best way to end the trade in elly ivory was to wipe out all the ellyfants. that'd do it. reminds me of a tale i was told in my USCG days about an expedition one of our icebreakers took to the south polar seas to support a scientific expedition to study a small group of a species of seal going extinct so they could find out why. there apparently were only five left a male and 4 females. they found them, darted them, took their measurements and sadly two of the seals had died from overdoses of anaesthesia. included the male. the study of course sadly noted that the three females were the last of their species and the seals had no hope of recovery. i concluded that scientific studies cause extinctions.

30th June 2016, 07:33 PM	#2
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,321	I'm glad you told me that "man," was responsible for the demise of the male seal; for a moment I thought that the other 4 female seals incessantly talked to him, causing him to take his own life.

1st July 2016, 05:07 PM	#4
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,321	"Walrussy shapes moving through the murky water," sounds like a typical summer's day with tourists at Virginia Beach;heck, they could seen herds of "walrussy shapes," and saved millions. I wonder how much it would cost today to go on the H.M.S. Beagle for a 5 year voyage and accomplish what Charles Darwin did; would it even be possible ?

1st July 2016, 06:15 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,281	va. beach - not to far from one of my old haunts at the USCG base at yorktown, spent 3 months there in the fall of '68 on a couple of training courses after i got commissioned. went to NOLA for 3 yrs after that. drove thru the battle field at least twice a day as we (me & wife #1) lived off base. very eerie on foggy mornings. i've crawled all over the fortifications & been thru the other exhibits there too. much more impressive than the similar field in metarie, la. where gen. packenham got his self ventilated & stuffed in a brandy casket in 1815.

1st July 2016, 06:43 PM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,281	killer whales, saw a pod or two of those up in the aleutians, along with a bunch of seals, offshore tho, the whales must have had other things in their minds as they swam right past the unconcerned seals that were mobbing our cutter along with a flock of gulls.(cookie was throwing fish & crab bits over the rail.)

1st July 2016, 08:02 PM	#8
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,321	There is a great deal of history around the USCG base in Yorktown ,Richmond, Petersburg, etc.; I have friends, who on any given day, metal detecting can come up with a bucket of Civil War bullets or earlier round balls from the Revolutionary War.If you were stationed in Yorktown, then you probably got one of the best grilled lobster tails and a wonderful Greek salad at Nick's Resturant;sadly it is no longer there. I have not read the book " Joseph Banks A life by Patrick O'Brian," but it is now on my list and I will. Funny you should mention seals; my Chiropractor told me just yesterday that he saw one on the beach and even though he admitted that he had been drinking and it was dark, he swears it to be so.It was probably just a homeless person. In our beach area we can now offer you bites by sharks, death by umbrellas, a better chance to win the lottery than finding a parking space, flesh eating bacteria and an improbable but possible encounter with a seal.