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Henk · 5th September 2015, 04:17 PM

Lovely!!

David · 5th September 2015, 06:10 PM

Well damn Henk, lovely was the word i was going to use.

Beautiful and unusual pendok. Can anyone put this in a time frame?

sirek · 5th September 2015, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Well damn Henk, lovely was the word i was going to use.

Beautiful and unusual pendok. Can anyone put this in a time frame?

I have seen this model twice in a in a Dutch auction, described period of the seller: MATARAM, CA 1550 1600 same period of time was described for the big keris second photo

but if this is true, I would not know.

( I only know that the seller has had enough knowledge to know what he says

)

A. G. Maisey · 5th September 2015, 11:48 PM

As we all know, it is very difficult, almost impossible, to appraise a keris from a photo, however, on this occasion I am brave --- or stupid --- enough to make a couple of limited comments.

The primary keris in post #5, that is to say, the blade, is most probably East Jawa/Madura. It may be 16th century, but it does not display any of the characteristics that we normally associate with a keris that is classifiable as "Mataram".

David · 6th September 2015, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

The primary keris in post #5, that is to say, the blade, is most probably East Jawa/Madura. It may be 16th century, but it does not display any of the characteristics that we normally associate with a keris that is classifiable as "Mataram".

As to my original question on timeframe, it was specifically directed at this form of pendok, not any of the blades shown. For me to is not a form of pendok i have often seen and was more curious about what era such a pendok might have first appeared or been popular. Any comments on that Alan?

drdavid · 6th September 2015, 01:05 AM

Just adding to the list of people admiring this keris, the blade is very nice and the pendok intriguing, like an interpretation of a European sword
DrD

A. G. Maisey · 6th September 2015, 04:59 AM

No David, no worthwhile comment on that style of pendok. I have seen pictures of a several of these and they always seem to be identified as North Coast/Cirebon, but I cannot remember handling one and I cannot give a supportable ID or time frame. I do have a very old wooden Cirebon wrongko where the gandar is shaped like this pendok style, so it very likely is Cirebon.

I have recollection of somebody telling me quite recently that this style of pendok has started to be made again by somebody, but I forget the details.

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5th September 2015, 04:17 PM	#1
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Lovely!!

5th September 2015, 06:10 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,267	Well damn Henk, lovely was the word i was going to use. Beautiful and unusual pendok. Can anyone put this in a time frame?

5th September 2015, 11:48 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,149	As we all know, it is very difficult, almost impossible, to appraise a keris from a photo, however, on this occasion I am brave --- or stupid --- enough to make a couple of limited comments. The primary keris in post #5, that is to say, the blade, is most probably East Jawa/Madura. It may be 16th century, but it does not display any of the characteristics that we normally associate with a keris that is classifiable as "Mataram".

6th September 2015, 01:05 AM	#6
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 373	Just adding to the list of people admiring this keris, the blade is very nice and the pendok intriguing, like an interpretation of a European sword DrD

6th September 2015, 04:59 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,149	No David, no worthwhile comment on that style of pendok. I have seen pictures of a several of these and they always seem to be identified as North Coast/Cirebon, but I cannot remember handling one and I cannot give a supportable ID or time frame. I do have a very old wooden Cirebon wrongko where the gandar is shaped like this pendok style, so it very likely is Cirebon. I have recollection of somebody telling me quite recently that this style of pendok has started to be made again by somebody, but I forget the details.