3rd August 2015, 02:25 AM | #1 |
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How to date a kilij, or similar sword
I recently purchased this Arab kilij. I am confident that it is authentic but don't have any idea how old it is. I know this type of sword was common during the Ottoman period, but that spans a pretty long time. Any ideas on how to narrow down the possible date range for this sword?
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3rd August 2015, 07:16 AM | #2 | |
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Sorry to say but what you have is a Syrian reproduction. Its new but once you receive it, take close ups of the blade and maybe there is a chance its a redressed old blade. But I dont bet on it :-) |
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I confirm, blade, guard, scabbard, grip, all recent. It's so hard to find these completly original... I almost fall in the trap twice this year... Kubur |
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3rd August 2015, 12:56 PM | #4 |
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Modern?
Thanks for the replies. I'm no expert so this could be a modern sword. If so, it is a good fake. The Damascene on the blade (photos attached) has been done the old fashioned way. What makes you think this was made recently?
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3rd August 2015, 07:14 PM | #5 |
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Hi Harry,
Just write these key words on Google or this forum: kilij pala ottoman Turkish. You will see the shape of the hilt, the style of the grips, the quillons of the guard and the blades. Very different. Nevertheless in a recent publication in Riyad, half of their swords were of your kind and they were presented as originals... But they were just recent copies. Everybody does mistakes. But the best is to research by yourself, never believe someone in this forum without your own research. I got some silly answers on some daggers and swords that I presented and some members were completely wrong. Its just opinions by passionate collectors. But unfortunately for your sword there is no doubt... |
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A.Alnakkas and Kubur are absolutely right. This sword was made in Syria in the late 20th, not early 20th century!. it is recent reproduction, not antique. the coftgari silver overlay technique has not changed since old times, and is being made right now using the same methods. |
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Oliver emphasizes the positive, and I agree completely--Robert Elgood is a serious scholar of edged weapons. You should check this site by searching for "Elgood" or "Tirri" to see what other members have to say about their respective books. You may be surprised. Ian. |
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Elgood is a a well respected researcher and author.
Tirri is a wealthy man who published his collection and than later sold that collection. Different approaches and reasons to write. Take it for what it is. |
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