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My guess is that it depends on which angle you prefer to see it. Keris as a weapon or Keris as a status symbol... |
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Yes, indeed.
To be even more provocative, some kerises are not good enough for the social higher strata, and at the same time, they make poor weapons too. So what do we make of these kerises? ![]() "Old" not equals "good" or "bad" "New" not equals "bad" or "good" Likewise for "simple" and "complex" But I think we have digressed a bit frm the original point I wanted to make, but I suspect was not conveyed adequately - that a "kampung" quality hilt does not adhere very strictly to archetypal forms. You get all sorts of variations and unusual features. From my experience, it is usually a futile exercise trying to classify these examples definitively. Sometimes, they are just amalgamations of influences and even the whims and fancies of the maker. So this is to be read in relation to your question/statement - this looks like a tajong, but is actually a coteng. The first rule of collecting is to collect what you like. Happy learning about the keris, and then collecting it! ![]() |
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Another of ɱყ friend's Coteng
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Staying in Thailand has allowed me to build a small network and I have managed to get to know more Keris collectors
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Another collector's Keris
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I have a piece in my collection which has baffled me for a while. It has features of a tajong, like elaborate crown, beard, and a more abstract anthropomorphic form. But instead of a regular tajong sheath, it was affixed to a coteng style sheath which was larger than usual. The blade is what my group of collectors here in Sg refer to as "Chenok" style, after the place the form is said to originate from.
Can your collector friends share their opinion on the origin of this keris pls? Tks Last edited by BluErf; 29th June 2015 at 02:04 PM. Reason: Typo |
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More pics, including one for comparison with other more regular coteng kerises.
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ŋıƈɛ ƈơƖƖɛƈɬıơŋ!
ʂųཞɛ! ῳıƖƖ check with them during our weekend gathering... |
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Please see example.. |
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Here is another example of Coteng Shield
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The Coteng has various sizes and the rare one is as long as the Tajong..
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This is another collector collection. Good example to see the different Coteng with different length and sizes.
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This Coteng has been cleaned
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A gift from my Thai friend..
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ɬɧıʂ ıʂ another Coteng from my Thai Friend..
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Small gathering... ɧơ℘ɛ ყơu like it..
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Thanks! Can I clarify whether you meant the hilt was not correct for the sheath, or that the hilt is considered a coteng hilt?
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With so many specimens shown in this thread, it should go down as the Coteng thread to come to for a visual feast. Thanks for sharing them.
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According to some serious collectors, as the hilt is made of wood, some tends to get damage over time and often got replaced. In this instance, it can be either be a situation where the Coteng hilt has been replaced with a Tajong. Alternatively, it may be a situation where a Tajong Keris has been matched with a Coteng shield. The suggestion from the collectors are either One quick way is to change the hilt or shield. Cheers |
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Ok, thanks for the clarification!
Another piece I'd like to ask about - this coteng came back from Europe. The sheath form is different frm most coteng we see. I associate this sheath form as an older form closer to the original coastal Javanese keris forms from which I think the coteng evolved. What does your collector friends think? |
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Yes, it's the old Coteng shield...with the influence Javanese art cirebon.
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Please see below comparison |
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the scabbard on the right isn't a Cirebon one but a Coteng scabbard IMHO. Can you post a photo of both from the other side? Regards, Detlef |
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Hi!
I am not saying that it's a Cirebon one but with Javanese influences.. |
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No worries..
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Coteng
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