Algerian Musket - Restored

Kubur · 30th April 2015, 11:46 AM

Another picture

rickystl · 30th April 2015, 02:44 PM

Thanks so much for the pic!!!! Have not seen this one before. Not only is the long gun displayed, but also the Algerian style pistol and Flyssa sword and knife. Very cool. Thanks. Rick.

Kubur · 30th April 2015, 09:05 PM

Hi Rick,
Here is mine. I had to do barrel bands like you,not fixed yet.
Kubur

rickystl · 2nd May 2015, 05:18 PM

Hi Kubur.
Your's has a very nice decorated stock. And all the inlays seem to be there. Your ramrod looks like it still has most of the metal (brass) wrap still intact. Great! As you say, some new barrel bands, and that should turn out looking good. I really like the stock decoration.
An interesting feature of these guns is the bottom of the fore stock is flat, and the length is only about two-thirds the length of the barrel. Also, the locks are inlet only about half the thickness of the lock plate. But every one I've seen is built that way.
By the way, is your's missing one of the two parts of the rear sight? Or is that just the photo?
Rick.

Kubur · 4th May 2015, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rickystl

Hi Kubur.
Your's has a very nice decorated stock. And all the inlays seem to be there. Your ramrod looks like it still has most of the metal (brass) wrap still intact. Great! As you say, some new barrel bands, and that should turn out looking good. I really like the stock decoration.
An interesting feature of these guns is the bottom of the fore stock is flat, and the length is only about two-thirds the length of the barrel. Also, the locks are inlet only about half the thickness of the lock plate. But every one I've seen is built that way.
By the way, is your's missing one of the two parts of the rear sight? Or is that just the photo?
Rick.

Hi Rick,
The ramrod is made of silver on wood. Yes, unfortunatly one part of the rear sight is missing and worst the top of the cock /hammer screw...
I have seen some Algerian long guns made in the early 20th. But this one is definitively from the beginning of the 19th c. (or late 18th) according to the book that I've seen. Best, Kubur

Kubur · 4th May 2015, 09:55 AM

Here the barrel bands. I gave them a patina just by putting them in a plastic bag with rotten eggs. Stinky and dirty but works well...

Jim McDougall · 4th May 2015, 08:40 PM

Excellent notes Ibrahiim!
It has always amazed me that with these wonderfully historic arms, all attention is focused on appearance, value, condition but the mere mention of markings is typically ignored. In my view, all aspects of a weapon should be equally attended.
It was interesting that your observations on that Algerian gun mark revealed striking similarities to those curious marks found on some of the blades on Red Sea swords.
Without directing too much attention to these markings on the blades, it would be interesting to know if anyone has more on those seen on this musket.

This one on the musket seems more pronounced and definable, while some of those others including the one shown by Mr. Blalock seem highly stylized, almost reminiscent of the 'twig' or similar marks from various trade blades.

Best regards,
Jim

rickystl · 9th May 2015, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Rick,
The ramrod is made of silver on wood. Yes, unfortunatly one part of the rear sight is missing and worst the top of the cock /hammer screw...
I have seen some Algerian long guns made in the early 20th. But this one is definitively from the beginning of the 19th c. (or late 18th) according to the book that I've seen. Best, Kubur

Hi Kubur.
Well, you might be in luck.

Here is an Algerian "parts" gun I have. The barrel still has both pieces of the rear sight, and the top screw still has it's "wing". I can send you both sight pieces and the complete hammer screw if you like? I'll clean them up a bit before mailing.

Just let me know if you're interested.
HAMMER SCREW: I've found that these screws are interchangeable with other Algerian locks. That way you can just trade screws. If the threads don't match, you can detach the wing and tiny post and add it to your hammer screw.
REAR SIGHT: Can you tell by looking at the empty space if the rear sight was soldered on or staked on? If you know what I mean?
Rick.

rickystl · 9th May 2015, 06:42 PM

Hi Kubur.
Are those barrel bands original to your gun? Or did you make/have those made for you ??
Rick.

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30th April 2015, 02:44 PM	#2
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Thanks so much for the pic!!!! Have not seen this one before. Not only is the long gun displayed, but also the Algerian style pistol and Flyssa sword and knife. Very cool. Thanks. Rick.

2nd May 2015, 05:18 PM	#4
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Hi Kubur. Your's has a very nice decorated stock. And all the inlays seem to be there. Your ramrod looks like it still has most of the metal (brass) wrap still intact. Great! As you say, some new barrel bands, and that should turn out looking good. I really like the stock decoration. An interesting feature of these guns is the bottom of the fore stock is flat, and the length is only about two-thirds the length of the barrel. Also, the locks are inlet only about half the thickness of the lock plate. But every one I've seen is built that way. By the way, is your's missing one of the two parts of the rear sight? Or is that just the photo? Rick.

4th May 2015, 08:40 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,815	Excellent notes Ibrahiim! It has always amazed me that with these wonderfully historic arms, all attention is focused on appearance, value, condition but the mere mention of markings is typically ignored. In my view, all aspects of a weapon should be equally attended. It was interesting that your observations on that Algerian gun mark revealed striking similarities to those curious marks found on some of the blades on Red Sea swords. Without directing too much attention to these markings on the blades, it would be interesting to know if anyone has more on those seen on this musket. This one on the musket seems more pronounced and definable, while some of those others including the one shown by Mr. Blalock seem highly stylized, almost reminiscent of the 'twig' or similar marks from various trade blades. Best regards, Jim

9th May 2015, 06:42 PM	#9
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Hi Kubur. Are those barrel bands original to your gun? Or did you make/have those made for you ?? Rick.